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Conference tecrus::mormonism

Title:The Glory of God is Intelligence.
Moderator:BSS::RONEY
Created:Thu Jan 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Apr 25 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:460
Total number of notes:6198

391.0. "Magic Johnson- Role Model for What?" by CAPNET::RONDINA () Mon Nov 18 1991 09:07

    Ok, Ok, So Magic Johnson has AIDS!  Anyone want to discuss this topic.
    
    I am somewhat irate that the US media and others are rushing to "deify"
    or "canonize" him as a "role model".
    
    Excuse me, but, for what is he a role model? As a fornicator,
    philanderer, and a sexaully promiscuous indvidual.
    
    I get a kick about the hullabaloo over his announcement and the media's
    rush to sensationalize the whole affair. Teachers and coaches are
    having counselling sessions with kids so they won't be traumatized
    (shades of PeeWee Herman).
    
    Yes it is tragic that he is now afflicted with a terminal disease, but
    as he himself said "while on the road there was no shortage of women at
    his disposal".  And as the saying goes "If you play with fire, you get
    burned."
    So, now he is becoming a spokesman for AIDs prevention
    (and appointed to Pres. Bush to some AIDs Awareness Commission).  And
    what is his message?
    
    Safe Sex! Or even better abstinence. 
    
    Perhaps older and wiser words of wisdom would suit better.  They go
    like this  "THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTER (or anthying like unto it).
    I know that this message is some seven or eight thousand years old, but
    an update to this message, given about two thousand years ago,
    basically restated the message and added that even lusting was a no no.
    
    So, how do other LDS feel about this holding Magic Johnson up as a
    model.  As a basketball player, yes, as an examplar of morality, not in
    my book. Unless of course, we revere him as a non-example or bad
    example.
    
    Your responses welcomed.
    
    Paul
                                             
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391.1Which God to follow?BSS::RONEYCharles RoneyTue Nov 19 1991 08:5015
	This just shows how important it is to stand by the principles
	of the gospel.  It also shows that when people do not worship
	God in the correct manner, they can replace him with other gods
	where sports stars are just one example.  (Do you know anyone 
	who would miss their church meetings rather than miss the World 
	Series or the Super Bowl?)  

	To what God do people now worship?  The God of the Old Testament, 
	or some other god the world has provided?  Magic Johnson and all 
	that has come of his situation is a very good example of a worldly 
	provided god.  If you look at his life and attitudes, you can see
	which god he is following.  (Maybe someone in his area should give
	him a Book of Mormon.)

391.2ROCK::LEIGHLet your light shineTue Nov 19 1991 10:2317
    I heard an interview last week with a pro football star (I don't
    remember his name).  Based on his comments, I would say that there is
    some good coming from this situation.  He said that Magic's becoming
    infected has caused many of them to wake up and realize that their past
    conduct has been dangerous.  They are beginning to realize that
    abstinence for those not married and not cheating for those who are has
    value after all.  It has been a real eye opener for them.
    
    This situation has helped me have greater appreciation for the Gospel
    of Jesus Christ and the standards of the Church.  It has also helped me
    appreciate my heritage of having been taught those standards in my home
    such that they have been part of my life.  I have no desire to judge
    Magic or other sports stars for their conduct (I'll leave that to God),
    because I come from a different background than they.  I wonder what I
    would be like today if I had grown up in their environment....
    
    Allen
391.3ROCK::LEIGHLet your light shineThu Nov 21 1991 10:2520
    I was at a PTA meeting last night, and AIDS education was discussed for
    a few minutes.  Apparently the "Magic Johnson situation" has caused a
    lot of students and teachers to think seriously about AIDS and "safe
    sex" vs abstinence.
    
    At least people are now considering abstinence a viable option.  A few
    years ago, my wife proposed to the School District that they include in
    their sex education class that abstinence is an option, and she was
    told, "Oh, we can't do that--that is teaching religion."  In response
    to that, My bishop told them, "I'm a farmer.  If I put a bull and a
    cow together, I know in advance what will happen; if I don't want that,
    then I have to separate them (i.e. the bull practices abstinence). 
    It's not religion at all!"
    
    I think that educators have been afraid to teach any kind of
    self-control, and I'm glad that abstinence is now being considered as
    an option.  I've been surprised that the media is portraying abstinence in
    a positive way.
    
    Allen
391.4MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::Sherman DTN 223-3326Fri Nov 22 1991 11:2211
    My wife and I have been pretty irritated about this, too.  He has been
    set up as a role model for the need to practice "safe sex".  Nobody
    says anything bad about "Magic".  They use him as an example of what
    happens if you don't have "safe sex".  I've never heard anyone in the
    popular media put down "Magic" for promiscuity.  I suppose that in their 
    minds, the general question of promiscuity was "settled" in the 60's.  
    So long as the world insists on being punished into not committing 
    spiritual suicide I suppose that God eventually and reluctantly is forced 
    to accomodate them.
    
    Steve
391.5he's not the first to fallSSDEVO::LUNTDavid - DTN 522-2457 - Stick throwerMon Nov 25 1991 13:1730
    I am passing on a principle that I learned recently - and I learned it
    while observing the direction the world is rapidly going or turning to. 
    Magic Johnson only underscored this with his announcements when the
    media, as you are already aware, jumped on their dull and un-inspired 
    'SAFE SEX' bandwagon.  At any rate - here's the thing I learned.  Its a
    simple phrase that 'hit me' if you know what I mean:
    
    	"HE WHO CAN ANGER YOU...CONTROLS YOU"
    	"HE WHO CAN ANGER YOU...CONTROLS YOU"
    	"HE WHO CAN ANGER YOU...CONTROLS YOU"
    
    With this thought in mind I now feel deeply saddened that America can
    loose such a symbol of 'greatness' and instead of repenting - jump to
    justify it, jump to analyze it, to ignore the underlying truths that
    came from it.  How sad!  But other truly faithful followers have
    fallen:
    
    	David (and he wrote the 23 Psalm!? )
    	Cain, 
    	Judas (and He knew Jesus personally!), 
    	entire nations, (Nephites!)
    	whitnesses to the Book Of Mormon,
    
    and ... the list goes on.  Be careful - do not let it bother you too much.  
    
    Bottom line (to answer .0's question): I am thrilled to read of the 
    positive that has come out of this (via earlier notes.)  and at the
    same time it deeply saddens me. 
    
    David
391.6Some in the media have removed their rose glasses...SDOGUS::BOYACKI love Insane Diego!Wed Nov 27 1991 11:42115
San Diego Union, Sports section, November 13, 1991
by Barry Lorge, Union Sportswriter

JOHNSON'S ILLNESS MIRRORS WHAT SOCIETY FACES WITHOUT MORALS

William Congreve, in his 1695 play "Love for Love," wrote: "I warrant you, if
he danced till doomsday, he thought I was to pay the piper." Three centuries
later, we have not learned the wisdom of those words.

After the initial shock of Magic Johnson's retirement from basketball, because
he has contracted the virus that causes AIDS, we must wonder if this is one more
symptom of a larger infection in our society. Another reminder that the bills
for the excesses of the '80s are coming due in the '90s, and the answer is not
to remember the latex, but to rediscover a moral fiber that we have allowed to
atrophy.

Nobody saw the whole court, the interaction of all the players, better than
Magic, so perhaps he also will come to see that if his lifestyle had been as
disciplined as his game, this would not have happened to him - and others like
him who are sure to follow.

There must be more to his message than safe sex. The disease he carries could
have deadly consequences for his wife, their unborn child, anyone else with
whom he had sexual contact and their partners. The human immunodeficiency virus
(HIV) is insidious, the AIDS epidemic another example of the deterioration in 
the values that constituted our society's immune system.

Science may discover a serum to curb this particular plague, but we are dancing
with other doomsday ills, social as well as medical. We need to restore the
fundamental notion that, individually and collectively, we are accountable for
our actions, responsible for the future of our planet.

We live in mind-boggling times. The more we know, the less we seem to learn.
Mass communications have shrunk the globe, but we still don't understand one
another. The information explosion has blown our minds; the more data the head
absorbs, the less we take it to heart.

BANKRUPT SYSTEMS

We have microscopes that look into individual cells, but we can't see right
from wrong. We steer satellites to explore distant stars, but we can't read our
internal ethical compass.

We look around the world and see our Cold War enemy, Soviet-style communism,
collapsing - a bankrupt political, economic and social system. But when we
survey our society, the debt is also staggering. We have abused our cherished
personal and institutional freedoms. The environment is a mess, the economy is
far from robust. Our elected leaders, with a vested interest in staying in
office, try to disarm us with disinformation and reassuring rhetoric that
translates to: "What, me worry?"

Banks, historically a cornerstone of the American dream, have become a
scandal-ridden nightmare. The industries that usually drive us out of tough
times are leveraged, the customary avenues blocked by debt. Lawmakers who
overdrew their checking accounts also let budget deficits soar through the
depleted ozone layer into the stratosphere.

Our assets are a pyramids of paper. Big business and government spend more than
they make. Many of our best and brightest, who in generations past would have
been pillars of the community and public service, instead pioneered insider
trading and corporate raiding. Nobody paid the piper.

We often look at sports as a microcosm of society, and the reflection in the
looking glass is not pretty. We still thrill at the possibilities - the
artistry of Magic, the gripping drama of a wonderful World Series - but we also
have become anesthetized by drug abuse, selfishness and scandal.

Sports have sold their souls to television and Madison Avenue. The magnitude of
superstars is measured by how much they can charge for an autograph or
endorsement. Heavyweights have lawyers making motions to postpone their rape
trial until after the next mega-million title bout on pay-per-view. Owners of
pro teams wonder how they are going to meet payrolls when networks reduce the
rights fees that fueled the inflationary spiral. No one knows how to get the
Genie of Greed back in the bottle.

Congress occasionally threatens to clean up the cesspool, but its own sewers
overflow. Heard any politicians lately whose speeches reminded you of
Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR of JFK? (Forget Joe Biden's which reminded us too much
of others' eloquence.) Campaigning has become the dirtiest business this side
of laundering money, and didn't the Clarence Thomas confirmation process do
wonders to elevate public respect for the U.S. Senate and Supreme Court?

History ultimately may recall the '80s as the decade Americans lost their
social conscience. Avarice and amorality ruled - in business, in government and
interpersonal relations. Out of microchips and high-optic fibers came an
ethical confusion no computer could fathom and a moral myopia whose
consequences we are only now beginning to see.

A neighbor started talking about Magic Johnson yesterday, and the conversation
went something like this: 

	"I'm glad people have started to consider the moral questions 
	involved. We need to look at the bigger picture, how our whole 
	value system is out of whack. 
	
	"When I was growing up, the banker was one of the most respected 
	men in town, like the doctor. Now, I've lost respect for both.
	Everybody got greedy. Who are our role models, athletes making $5
	million? And now this superstar who had the world by the tail
	apparently threw it all away, because he couldn't keep his pants
	zipped, and he's telling kids promiscuity is fine as long as you
	use a condom?"

Magic has an impact beyond most sports superstars because of his charisma and
because he was so unselfish - on the court and off. He made passing
fashionable, put team triumphs above showcasing his individual skills, raised
millions of dollars for charity and education.

But you can't teach ethics in business school or in postgraduate morality. That
is too late. It has to start with kids, and learning we are not free agents on
this earth. We need to find our lost conscience, individual and collective.

As a society, we have been blithely doing a dangerous, doomsday dance. Somebody
always has to pay the piper.
391.7QBUS::F_MUELLERSimple Man.Wed Dec 04 1991 17:168
    re: .6

    I love it!!! I wonder if our own bastion of morals, The Atlanta
    Journal/Constitution would have enough courage to publish it.
    
    
    f.m.
391.8Terry AndersonROCK::LEIGHFeed My SheepTue Dec 10 1991 14:569
Looks like we're finished talking about MJ.  I would like to comment on Terry
Anderson as a role model.

While in capativity, Terry became converted to Christ (perhaps re-converted).
He made a statement the other day that impressed me.  He said that as a
Christian he was required to forgive those who held him captive, and he holds
no grudges against anyone.  I thought that was neat!  I wonder how I would 
feel in I were in his position....