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Title:The Glory of God is Intelligence.
Moderator:BSS::RONEY
Created:Thu Jan 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Apr 25 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:460
Total number of notes:6198

377.0. "Repentance and Forgiveness" by SHALOT::CROCITTO () Tue Feb 26 1991 08:38

    Hi,
    
    If there is already a note for this, please point me to it.
    
    A friend of mine that I knew from my old ward wrote me a letter this 
    weekend, and in it she asked me a question that I am not sure I am
    knowledgeable enough to answer.
    
    She has been a member of the church for quite a while, and I believe
    that she has been to the Temple.  She has attended church sporadically
    for the last two years and has not taken on any callings for one reason
    or other.  Also she suffers from many health problems, is divorced, and
    has a son (about 22) who has behavior problems.  
    
    To make a long story short, she has a man friend that she has known for
    many years.  They have not (to my knowledge) discussed marriage, but
    they did sleep together once.  This has been bothering her a great
    deal, and she is afraid that she has jeopardized her status in the
    church.  She asked me if she should see the Bishop and tell him, or
    just "go to church, pray, and keep my mouth shut".  
    
    I started to write her a letter and in it I advised her to definitely
    see the Bishop so that she can get going in a straight path again and
    do whatever she needs to to be right with our Heavenly Father.  But
    before I sent it off, I wanted to ask the forum here what your 
    knowledge of church procedures are in a case like this.  Would she
    become excommunicated?  I would like to include any solid information
    in my letter to her that I can.  I myself have been a member only 2.5
    years and I do NOT want to mislead her;  I sincerely want her to be 
    happy and to do what is right.  
    
    Her question is so important and I want to give her all the information
    I can on it;  as well as my love and prayers for her return to church.
    
    Can anyone elaborate on "official procedure" for a situation like this?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Jane
    
    
     
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377.1The Miracle of Forgiveness in ActionRHODES::RONDINATue Feb 26 1991 09:3244
    Jane,
    
    Your counsel is correct.  The woman should seek the advice of her
    bishop first.  Recent changes in the way the church is handling such
    situations in which a person may jeopardize membership have highlighted
    the position of repentance and forgiveness rather than retribution.
    
    I am a high councillor in my stake and have seen this change in
    operation.  Someone summed it in a cute saying.  It goes like this:
    "Once it used to be easy to get out of the church and hard to get
    back in.  Now it is hard to get out, and easy to get back in."
    
    Each person's case is viewed in light of itself.  Judgments whether
    to readmit or terminate a person from fellowship with the saints
    is an involved, lengthy, prayerful, and sacred process that invovles
    not only bishops, but the High Council and the Stake Presidency.
    It is only after much discussion, prayer, consideration, input from
    involved persons, is a decision made.  
    
    I have seen the process take place and can attest that the climate
    of these meetings,at least at the High Council level, is imbued
    with spirit of Christ, Christian ideas of forgiveness, yet tempered
    with a desire to balance justice and mercy as applied to what is
    right for the specific individual.
    
    It is a heavy responsibility to render such judgments and one which,
    in my experience, each bishop, high councillor and member of the
    Stake Presidency takes seriously, sacredly, sincerely and
    compassionately.
    
    Above all, confidentialty and the security of the information presented
    is kept.
    
    The Discipline Councils (previously known as Church Courts) are
    indeed councils of Christian love where the impact of momentous
    decisions upon people's spiritual life is readily recognized.
    
    Noone who knocks at the Lord's door, asking for forgiveness, will be 
    turned away. I know this fact is true for I have experienced it.
    And all of us at one time or another finds ourselves knocking at
    his door in one way or another. Some for lesser sins, others for
    more grievous ones.
    
    Paul
377.2God LOVES the sinner!ALLVAX::MCKINNEYCAD/CAM SquidMon Apr 01 1991 13:2025
    
    I just want to add a comment.
    
    I agree with what has been said so far, and want to make sure that you
    know that God LOVES the sinner.  He is merciful, and wants everyone to
    repent in this life, before it is too late (see Alma 34:32-?).
    
    The three parables in Luke 15 are an excellent example of his love for
    those who have strayed.  The prodigal son is the best known, and
    probably the finest example of the love God has for the sinner who has
    recognized the error of his ways, and has a desire to repent.
    
    Christ also said "there is more joy in heaven over one sinner that
    repenteth, than over a whole bunch of righteous dudes who do not need
    repentance" - or something like that.  If I had my scriptures, I could
    have rendered a plainer translation...
    
    Good luck, and know that whatever you have done (as long as you haven't
    murdered anyone, or denied the Holy Ghost), you can be forgiven, and
    be as though the sin had never occurred (Isaiah 1:18).  In fact, you
    will probably be stronger after repentance than you were before (Ether
    12:26).
    
    Jim
           
377.3ThanksSHALOT::CROCITTOTue Apr 02 1991 14:0713
    Hi Jim,
    
    Thanks for the kind words.  FYI, I sent my friend a letter shortly
    after I entered this note and outlined what I felt she should do.  I
    felt that she should indeed see the Bishop and tell him and ask
    Heavenly Father for forgiveness.  I haven't heard back from her as yet
    and hope that she is ok.  You never know how these things will turn
    out, but I hope that she has done the right thing.
    
    Thanks for your input,
    
    Jane