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Title:The Glory of God is Intelligence.
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Created:Thu Jan 28 1988
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100.0. "Proposed test of a prophet" by CACHE::LEIGH (Jesus Christ: our role model) Fri May 11 1990 10:50

Mention has been recently made in another note about a Biblical method of
determining if a person is a true prophet.  I thought I would open a new
note so we can discuss that method, and since this note on Jeremiah is
part of the discussion, I have expanded this note to cover the broader
topic.
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100.2Let's test Jeremiah!CACHE::LEIGHTue Mar 22 1988 08:0968
Jeremiah prophesied the death of King Zedekiah.

    (V1) The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, when Nebuchadnezzar
    king of Babylon, and all his army, and all the kingdoms of the earth of
    his dominion, and all the people, fought against Jerusalem, and against
    all the cities thereof, saying,

    (V2) Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; go and speak to Zedekiah king
    of Judah, and tell him, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will give this city
    into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire;

    (V3) And thou shalt not escape out of his hand, but shalt surely be taken,
    and delivered into his hand; and thine eyes shall behold the eyes of the
    king of Babylon, and he shall speak with thee mouth to mouth, and thou
    shalt go to Babylon.

    (V4) Yet hear the word of the LORD, O Zedekiah king of Judah; thus saith
    the LORD of thee, Thou shalt not die by the sword:

    (V5) But thou shalt die in peace:  and with the burnings of thy fathers,
    the former kings which were before thee, so shall they burn odours for
    thee; and they will lament thee, saying, Ah lord!  for I have pronounced
    the word, saith the LORD.  (Jeremiah 34:1-5)

Jeremiah's prophecy of the death of Zedekiah predicted the following events:

     1.  Jerusalem would be captured by the Babylonians and it would be burned
         with fire.

     2.  Zedekiah would be captured and taken to Babylon, and he would meet
         personally with Nebuchadnezzar.

     3.  Zedekiah would not "die by the sword", that is through violence or
         due to war.

     4.  Zedekiah would die in peace and odours would be burned for him as
         they had been burned for former kings.

In verse 21 of Chapter 34, Jeremiah gave a second prophecy of Zedekiah.

    (V21) And Zedekiah king of Judah and his princes will I give into the hand
    of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life, and into
    the hand of the king of Babylon's army, which are gone up from you.
    (Jeremiah 34:21)

This prophecy reinforced the earlier prophecy that Zedekiah would be given to
Nebuchadnezzar.  It is important to notice that that prophecy said nothing
about the conditions of Zedekiah's death, not even that Zedekiah would die.

In Jeremiah 52:8-11 we read of the death of Zedekiah.

    (V8) But the army of the Chaldeans pursued after the king, and overtook
    Zedekiah in the plains of Jericho; and all his army was scattered from
    him.

    (V9) Then they took the king, and carried him up unto the king of Babylon
    to Riblah in the land of Hamath; where he gave judgment upon him.

    (V10) And the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes:
    he slew also all the princes of Judah in Riblah.

    (V11) Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound
    him in chains, and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the
    day of his death.

Thus, we see that Jeremiah's prophecy was only partially fulfilled.  Zedekiah
died "by the sword" due to war and through violence.  He did not die in peace,
and odours were not burned for him.
100.3Who disobeyed God?CACHE::LEIGHTue Mar 22 1988 08:0942
Let's take a closer look at Jeremiah 34 and examine the events that happened
between Jeremiah 34:5 and 34:21.

In verses 8-9, Zedekiah made a covenant with all the people that liberty
should be given to their servants.  Notice that the covenant was with the
people not with the Lord.

In verse 10, the Princes obeyed the covenant and freed their servants.

In verse 11, the Princes double-crossed Zedekiah and put their servants back
into slavery.

In verses 12-16, the Lord spoke through Jeremiah and told the people that they
had polluted His name.  He explained that the Law of Moses required that
servants be freed after seven years but that the fathers of the Princes had
not obeyed that law.  The Lord explained that the Princes had done right in
freeing their servants but had then "polluted my name" in placing the servants
back into slavery.

In verses 17-18, the Lord explained that the Princes would suffer by the sword
and pestilence and famine, and they would be removed [scattered] into all the
kingdoms of the earth.

In verse 19, the Lord names those who have transgressed:  "The princes of
Judah, and the princes of Jerusalem, the eunuchs, and the priests, and all the
people of the land".

In verse 20, The Lord states that he will give those people to their enemies
and their dead bodies shall be meat for the fowls and beasts.

In verse 21, the Lord states that Zedekiah will be given to the king of
Babylon.

In verse 22, the last of the chapter, the Lord declares that Jerusalem will be
taken and burned.

It is important to note that nowhere in that chapter does the Lord declare
that Zedekiah broke the covenant.  Verse 10 talks about the Princes breaking
the covenant, and the following verses are within that context, that is the
context of the Princes not Zedekiah breaking the covenant.  This context was
reinforced by verse 19 in which the Lord named those who had broken the
covenant.
100.4OdoursCACHE::LEIGHTue Mar 22 1988 08:1010
From Chronicles we can read about the burning of odours.

    And they buried him in his own sepulchers, which he had made for himself
    in the city of David, and laid him in the bed which was filled with sweet
    odours and divers kinds of spices prepared by the apothecaries art:  and
    they made a very great burning for him.  (2 Chronicles 16:14)

Zedekiah was taken prisoner, watched his children killed, was blinded, and was
taken to prison in chains where he died.  There is no mention of his body
being taken to Jerusalem and odours being burned for him.
100.1The testCACHE::LEIGHJesus Christ: our role modelFri May 11 1990 10:51161


          Beware of False Prophets
          ------------------------

          Biblical scriptures warn us of false prophets.

              Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
              into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
              Father which is in heaven.

              Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
              prophesied in thy name?  and in thy name have cast out
              devils?  and in thy name done many wonderful works?

              And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart
              from me, ye that work iniquity.  (Matthew 7:21-23)

          That is, merely because a person uses the name of Christ,
          prophesies in the name of Christ, casts out devils, and does
          "many wonderful works" that person may not necessarily be
          authorized and accepted by Him.


          Proposed Test of Prophets
          -------------------------

          How can we tell, then, if a particular person is indeed sent by
          Christ?

          Some people advocate that four particular scriptures be used as a
          test to determine if persons are true prophets.  The four
          scriptures are Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Deuteronomy 18:20-22, Isaiah
          8:20, and Isaiah 9:15.  These people say that the conditions
          stipulated by these verses are to be taken literally and without
          exception.

          Let us examine those verses.


          Deuteronomy 13:1-5
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              (V1) If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of
              dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

              (V2) And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he
              spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which
              thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

              (V3) Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet,
              or that dreamer of dreams:  for the LORD your God proveth
              you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your
              heart and with all your soul.

              (V4) Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and
              keep his commandments, and obey him, and cleave unto him.

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              (V5) And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be
              put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from
              the LORD your god, which brought you out of the land of
              Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to
              thrust thee out of the say which the LORD thy God commanded
              thee to walk in.  So shalt thou put the evil away from the
              midst of thee.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5)

          In verse 1, the Lord warns the people of false prophets.

          In verse 2, the Lord indicates that false prophets may give true
          prophecies that come to pass.  That is, the people are to be
          aware that fulfillment of prophecy does not imply that one is a
          true prophet.  The Lord tells them how they can recognize a false
          prophet:  he will lead the people away from the true God, that
          is, he will teach false doctrine.

          In verse 3, the people are warned to not follow false prophets,
          because God wants to test or "prove" them to see if they love God

          The Lord, in verse 4, counsels the people to follow the true God
          and keep His commandments [thus showing they love God].

          In verse 5, the Lord states that under the Law of Moses, the
          false prophet should be put to death.

          In summary, Deuteronomy 13:1-5 tells us that we can distinguish
          between true and false prophets by studying the teachings of the
          prophets.  False prophets will lead us away from God, even though
          they may give prophecies that are fulfilled.


          Deuteronomy 18:20-22
          --------------------

              (V20) But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in
              my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that
              shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet
              shall die.

              (V21) And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the
              word which the LORD hath not spoken?

              (V22) When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the
              thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which
              the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it
              presumptuously:  thou shalt not be afraid of him.
              (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

          From these verses, we learn that prophecies from God will be
          fulfilled.  If a person claims to speak for God but the
          prophecies do not happen, that person is speaking
          'presumptuously', that is with his own wisdom.  Notice that this
          does not imply that that person is a false prophet, only that
          that particular person acted with his own wisdom.

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          Isaiah 8:20
          -----------

              To the law and to the testimony:  if they speak not according
              to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

          That is, true prophets will speak and teach true concepts.


          Isaiah 9:15
          -----------

              The ancient and honorable, he is the head; and the prophet
              that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

          Again, true prophets will speak and teach true concepts.


          Review of the Test of A Prophet
          -------------------------------

          To summarize, from the four scriptures discussed above, we can
          list the conditions of the proposed test of a true prophet.

          1.  False prophets will lead people away from God by teaching
              false concepts.  True prophets will teach true concepts, thus
              leading people to God.

          2.  False prophets can correctly prophecy, that is, fulfillment
              of prophecy is not a sufficient condition for one to be a
              true prophet.

          3.  Prophecies from God will be fulfilled.  Prophecies which are
              not fulfilled were made by the wisdom of the man giving the
              prophecy.

          The people who advocate this test say that the test is literal
          and without exception, that is a person either passes it or fails
          it, and one unfulfilled prophecy is sufficient for one to fail
          the test.
100.5Can prophets make mistakes?CACHE::LEIGHJesus Christ: our role modelFri May 11 1990 10:54276


          In the previous discussion we discussed a method which is
          proposed by certain people to tell if a person who claims to be a
          prophet is in fact a true prophet.  We applied the proposed test
          to the Biblical prophet Jeremiah and concluded that he was a
          false prophet.  Now, I do not believe that Jeremiah was a false
          prophet; hence I believe that the test contains a flaw.

          To help us understand this flaw, let us take a closer look at
          Biblical prophets.  We usually think of a prophet as a person who
          acts as a spokesman for God and because of this is able to give
          prophecies about the future.  I would like to generalize the term
          "prophet" and use it to refer to people who (a) prophecy of the
          future, (b) people who are Apostles in the way that Peter was an
          Apostle, and (c) people who are the authors of scripture.  This
          generalization is valid, because we also want to determine if
          persons who claim to be Apostles are true and if persons who
          claim to write scripture are true.


          Biblical Prophets Were Inspired
          -------------------------------

          The Bible makes it clear that the Biblical prophets were inspired
          of God.

              Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of
              any private interpretation.  For the prophecy came not in old
              time by the will of man:  but holy men of God spake as they
              were moved by the Holy Ghost.  (2 Peter 1:20-21)

              All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
              profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
              instruction in righteousness:  (2 Timothy 3:16)

          It is because of this inspiration that we accept the Bible as the
          word of God and try to live by its teachings.


          Did God Dictate The Bible Word For Word
          ---------------------------------------

          We all agree that the Bible was written through inspiration, but
          we need to ask the following questions:

          1.  Did God dictate the Bible word for word with the prophets
              merely acting as scribes?

          2.  Or, did God give thoughts and ideas to the prophets and allow
              them to express the ideas in their own words?

          Unfortunately, we do know know the answers to those questions.
          The Bible tells us the prophets were inspired, but it does not
          say how the inspiration was given.

          In his Commentary, the Rev.  J.  R.  Dummelow states his belief

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          that the prophets were inspired with ideas and used their own
          skills and knowledge to express the ideas.

              We must not regard the Bible as an absolutely perfect book in
              which God is Himself the author using human hands and brains
              only as a man might use a typewriter.  God used men, not
              machines--men with like weakness and prejudice and passion as
              ourselves, though purified and ennobled by the influence of
              His Holy Spirit; men each with his own peculiarities of
              manner and disposition--each with his own education or want
              of education--each with his own way of looking at
              things--each influenced differently from another by the
              different experiences and discipline of his life.  Their
              inspiration did not involve a suspension of their natural
              faculties; it did not destroy their personality, nor abolish
              the differences of training and character; it did not even
              make them perfectly free from earthly passion; it did not
              make them into machines--it left them men.

              Therefore we find their knowledge sometimes no higher than
              that of their contemporaries, and their indignation against
              oppression and wrong-doing sometimes breaking out into desire
              of revenge.  This would not surprise us in the least in other
              good men who were, we knew, striving after God and
              righteousness.  It surprises us in the Bible, because of our
              false preconceptions; because it is in the Bible we do not
              expect the actors to be real and natural; because of our
              false theory of Verbal Inspiration we are puzzled when the
              divine is mingled with the human.  We must learn that the
              divine is mingled with the human.  (The One Volume Bible
              Commentary, Edited by The Rev.  J.  R.  Dummelow, 1970, pp.
              cxxxiv-cxxxv)

          Let us look at some examples of imperfections in Biblical men.


          Discrepancy in Luke's Accounts of Paul's Conversion
          ---------------------------------------------------

          In writing his Acts of the Apostles, Luke gave three descriptions
          of Paul's vision on the road to Damascus.

              And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus:  and suddenly
              there shined round about him a light from heaven:  And he
              fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul,
              Saul, why persecutest thou me?  And he said, Who are thou,
              Lord?  And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
              it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.  And he
              trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me
              to do?  And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the
              city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.  And the
              men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a
              voice, but seeing no man.  (Acts 9:3-7)

              And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come

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              nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shown from
              heaven a great light round about me.  And I fell unto the
              ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why
              persecutest thou me?  And I answered, Who art thou, Lord?
              And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou
              persecutest.  And they that were with me saw indeed the
              light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him
              that spake to me.  (Acts 22:6-9)

              At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven,
              above the brightness of the sun,shining round about me and
              them which journeyed with me.  And when we were all fallen to
              the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in
              the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?  it
              is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.  And I said who
              art thou, Lord?  And he said I am Jesus whom thou
              persecutest.  (Acts 26:13-15)

          Notice that in Acts 9:7 Luke recorded that the persons with Paul
          heard a voice while in Acts 22:9 Luke recorded that the persons
          did not hear the voice.

          Dummelow acknowledges that this discrepancy does exist.

              Hearing a voice] RV 'hearing the voice.' Yet in 22.9 Paul
              says, 'they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.' The
              latter account, being Paul's own, is preferred.  (The One
              Volume Bible Commentary, Edited by The Rev.  J.  R.
              Dummelow, 1970, p.  830)


          Paul and Barnabas Disagreed
          ---------------------------

          Both Paul and Barnabas are referred to as being Apostles (Acts
          14:14), but they had a disagreement that was so strong that it
          interfered with their ministry and caused them to no longer work
          together as missionaries.

              And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again
              and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached
              the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

              And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname
              was Mark.

              But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed
              from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

              And the contention was so sharp between them, that they
              departed asunder one from the other:  and so Barnabas took
              Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;

              And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the
              brethren unto the grace of God.

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          Peter Needed A "Push" By The Lord
          ---------------------------------

          Jesus instructed the Apostles to take the Gospel to all nations.

              Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a
              mountain where Jesus had appointed them.  And when they saw
              him, they worshipped him:  but some doubted.  And Jesus came
              and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in
              heaven and in earth.  Go ye therefore,and teach all nations,
              baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
              of the Holy Ghost.  Teaching them to observe all things
              whatsoever I have commanded you:  and lo, I am with you
              always, even unto the end of the world.  Amen.  (Matthew
              28:16-20)

          However, Peter, even though he was an Apostle, did not understand
          the implication of that commission because his thinking was still
          being influenced by the Law of Moses.  In order to get Peter to
          understand that "all nations" literally meant "ALL nations",
          Jesus had to give Peter a special vision that told Peter that the
          Law of Moses had been fulfilled in Christ's atonement.

              And [Peter] saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel
              descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the
              four corners, and let down to the earth.  Wherein were all
              manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts,
              and creeping things, and fowls of the air.  And there came a
              voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.  But Peter said,
              Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common
              or unclean.  And the voice spake unto him again the second
              time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
              (Acts 10:11-15)

          Peter finally understood that "all nations" meant "ALL nations".


          Apostles Argued About Who Would Be The Greatest
          -----------------------------------------------

          Some of the Apostles argued among themselves about which of them
          would be the greatest in the kingdom of Heaven.  Jesus had to
          teach them that they had to develop the humility and meekness of
          a small child if they were to enter the kingdom of Heaven.

              And he came to Capernaum:  and being in the house he asked
              them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the
              way?  But they held their piece:  for by the way they had
              disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.  And
              he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If
              any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all,
              and a servant of all.  And he took a child, and set him in
              the midst of them:  and when he had taken him in his arms, he
              said unto them, Whosoever shall receive one of such children
              in my name, receiveth me:  and whosoever shall receive me,

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              receiveth not me, but him that sent me.  (Mark 9:33-37)


          Imperfections in Prophets
          -------------------------

          We have seen examples that even though the Biblical prophets were
          inspired, they were still human and made mistakes, mistakes that
          affected the accuracy of our Biblical scriptures, mistakes that
          affected the quality of their ministry, and mistakes that
          affected the relationships between themselves.

          Do these imperfections in the Biblical prophets mean that we
          should reject those men as being false prophets?  Does Jeremiah's
          mistake in prophesying Zedekiah's death mean that he was a false
          prophet?  No, of course not, that is silly!  These imperfections
          only mean that those men were human.  They were not infallible!
          Even though they made mistakes, they were still inspired and were
          used by God in furthering His work.


          Are Prophets Inspired 100% Of The Time?
          ---------------------------------------

          An important question that we must ask is, "Are prophets inspired
          100% of the time, that is, is everything that the prophets do of
          God?"

          There are two possible answers to that question.  Based on
          Jeremiah's problem, the first answer is "No, prophets may do
          things of their own wisdom, without inspiration from God".  Also
          based on Jeremiah's problem, the second answer is "Possibly so,
          but the prophets through their human weaknesses may not fully
          respond to the inspiration and thus do things of their own
          wisdom." In either case, the effect is the same:  We must
          consider the prophets as men of God and overlook imperfections in
          their ministry.
100.6The flaw in the proposed testCACHE::LEIGHJesus Christ: our role modelFri May 11 1990 10:5532


          The people who advocate the proposed test of a true prophet which
          was discussed in the previous discussion say that the test must
          be applied without exception.  They say that one incorrect
          prophecy by a man is sufficient to judge that man as being a
          false prophet.  They are saying in effect that prophets do not
          make mistakes and are thus infallible.

          This attitude is the flaw in the proposed test.  Because of this
          attitude, we would have to say that Jeremiah was a false prophet.
          If the proposed test is extended from prophecies to the writing
          of scripture and to the ministry of the Apostles, we would have
          to say that Luke was false, hence the book of Acts and the Gospel
          of Luke are invalid.  We would have to say that Peter was false
          and hence his ministry and writings are invalid.  We would have
          to say the Apostles who argued about who was the greatest were
          false.  In fact, we would have to say that all religious leaders
          are false because they make mistakes.

          Three of the four scriptures advise us to look at the teachings
          of the people to see if those people are teaching truth; only one
          scripture advised us to look at the fulfillment of prophecy, and
          that scripture did not say that persons are false prophets if
          their prophecies do not come to pass; that scripture only said
          that that person spoke presumptuously, that is with his own
          wisdom.  The four scriptures given in the proposed test are a
          good guide to follow if we recognize that religious leaders are
          not infallible and do make mistakes.  Thus, in judging men we
          must look at the full ministry of the men, not just at isolated
          events.
100.7Prophet relates to stewardship.BSS::RONEYCharles RoneyFri May 11 1990 13:0236
	In the "Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith", page 278, he
	stated "... that a prophet was a prophet only when he was
	acting as such."  Otherwise, the indications are that a prophet
	is like a man as other men are. (see page 89)

	Isn't it strange that we put men in "high" places beyond the reach
	of mortality almost.  The world has a strange, or nonexistent, way
	of understanding of stewardship.  Mankind does not even understand
	their stewardship over the dominions they have been given - just
	look at the condition of the earth today, look at how many animal
	species have been hunted into extinction, etc., etc., etc..  No
	wonder mankind can not comprehend a prophet, much less their God.

	Look at Moses.  Look at what happened when his sister spoke against
	him as the Lord's prophet.  Wonder how many lepers we would have
	running around today if that still happened?  How much do we have
	in the Bible about the priesthood Moses had?  None, that's how much.
	But when he used it unrighteously by striking the rock for water,
	he was punished.  Did he loose his standing?  No, he was at the
	Mount of Transfiguration to turn over his given keys to Christ.  He
	still was acting in the calling he received of God.  Just as Peter
	had to learn his calling, so did Moses.  And speaking of Peter, why
	do you think he was the one given the revelation to take the gospel
	to the Gentiles?  Because Peter was the prophet, or head, of the
	church on the earth.  In that stewardship he did as he was told and
	then took that revelation back to the other apostles who then raised
	their hands in confirming that revelation for the whole church.

	Well, I seem to just be rambling here, but when it comes to prophets 
	I would like to point out that there is a stewardship appointed to 
	every one of them.  Each and every Melchizedek priesthood holder of 
	the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints should be a prophet 
	in their own home and in their own callings, or stewardship.

	Charles
100.8FRETZ::HEISERMaranatha!Mon Sep 12 1994 18:2012
    Too bad Allan isn't still around, but a few things about his posts
    should be pointed out:
    
    In .2 he stated that Zedekiah did die by the sword when actually he
    didn't.  Only his sons did.  He died in peace after the war and did
    have spices burned for him as Allan pointed out in .4 (2 Chronicles
    parallels all the kingships of OT Israel).  
    
    I would still maintain that the tests stand and a prophet under the
    true inspiration of God is infallible.
    
    Mike