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Conference tecrus::mormonism

Title:The Glory of God is Intelligence.
Moderator:BSS::RONEY
Created:Thu Jan 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Apr 25 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:460
Total number of notes:6198

273.0. "The Prophet Joseph Smith" by RIPPLE::KOTTERRI (Rich Kotter) Sat Sep 16 1989 14:11

    Joseph Smith recounted the visitation by the angel Moroni, saying:
         
         He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger
         sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni;
         that God had a work for me to do; and that my name should be had
         for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or
         that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people.
         (Joseph Smith - History 1:33) 

    So has the name of Joseph Smith been both good and evil spoken of among
    all people? What was the work that God had for him to do, and did he
    accomplish it? 
    
    Rich
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273.1Non-members Laud the ProphetRIPPLE::KOTTERRIRich KotterSat Sep 16 1989 14:2440
                   Non-members Laud the Prophet as 'A Hero'
                        The Church News, Sept. 9, 1989
    
    Although not all who met the Prophet Joseph Smith joined the Church,
    many were extremely impressed with the humble man who preached the
    gospel with such conviction. 
    
    On Sept. 1, 1843, the New York Times stated: "This Joe Smith must be
    set down as an extraordinary character, a prophet-hero as Carlyle might
    call him; he is one of the great men of this age, and in future
    history, will rank with those who, in one way or another, have stamped
    their impress strongly on society... 
    
    "Few in this age have done such deeds, and performed such apparent
    miracles. It is no small thing, in the blaze of this nineteenth
    century, to give to men a new revelation, found a new religion,
    establish new forms of worship, build a city with new laws,
    institutions and orders of architecture, send out missionaries, and
    make proselytes in two hemispheres; yet all this has been done by Joe
    Smith, and that against every sort of opposition, ridicule and
    persecution. 
    
    "That Joe Smith, the founder of Mormons, is a man of great talent, a
    deep thinker, and an eloquent speaker, an able writer, and a man of
    great mental power, no one can doubt who has watched his career." (The
    Kingdom of God Restored, pp. 321-322) 
    
    Josiah Quincy, a man who eventually became mayor of Boston, Mass.,
    wrote in his book, "The Figures of the Past: "A fine-looking man," is
    "What the passerby would instinctively have murmured upon meeting the
    remarkable individual who had fashioned the mould which was to shape
    the feeling of so many thousands.... Capacity and resource were natural
    to his stalwart person.... 
    
    "It is by no means improbable that some future textbook, for the use of
    generations yet unborn, will contain a question something like this:
    What historical American of the nineteenth century has exerted the most
    powerful influence upon the destinies of his countrymen? And it is by
    no means impossible that the answer to that interrogatory may be thus
    written: Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet." 
273.2Prophet Restored Doctrines, Revealed InsightsRIPPLE::KOTTERRIRich KotterSat Sep 16 1989 14:3955
                Prophet Restored Doctrines, Revealed Insights
                        The Church News, Sept. 9, 1989
    
    As the prophet called of God to re-establish His church on earth,
    Joseph Smith received numerous revelations that called for the
    restoration of lost doctrines, or doctrines previously unrevealed in
    their entirety. 
    
    Indeed, the Prophet "revolutionized the world in many aspects" (Parley
    P. Pratt, The Historical Record, 7:575) with startling insights into
    the nature of God and His kingdom on earth. 
    
    Among these insights are the concepts that God has created multiple
    works and that man, His greatest creation, has been sent to earth with
    a divine purpose. 
    
    "These concepts - The multiplicity of the works of God and the central
    role man plays in these works -- for the foundation of one of the most
    profound and motivational doctrines expounded by the Prophet," wrote
    Francis M. Gibbons in "Joseph Smith - Martyr, Prophet of God". 
    
    In 1830, Joseph received the transcript of a revelation given to Moses,
    now known as the book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price. There, God
    announced to Moses that He had created "worlds without number," and
    that His chief work and glory was "to bring to pass the immortality and
    eternal life of man." (Moses 1:39.) 
    
    Elder Gibbons explained that through subsequent explanations of the
    distinction between immortality -- that which is grated to all through
    Christ's atonement -- and eternal life -- that which is attainable only
    be constant adherence to gospel principles -- Joseph Smith reconciled
    the controversy surrounding the relative influence of grace and works
    in gaining salvation. 
    
    The Prophet also made significant contributions to the world's limited
    knowledge of the nature of the Godhead and their relationship to
    mankind. Perhaps one doctrine that most distinquishes Latter-day Saints
    from other denominations is the conviction that all worthy men and
    women can become gods and goddesses. 
    
    The Prophet Smith first explained this doctrine in his discourse at the
    funeral of Elder King Follett: 
    
    "If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend
    themselves.... God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted
    man.... If you were to see Him today, you would see Him like a man in
    form -- like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a
    man.... 
    
    "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the
    character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man
    converses with another.... You have got to learn how to be Gods
    yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods
    have done before you, namely, by going form one small degree to
    another...." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp.345-46.) 
273.3MAN=GOD DOCTRINE ORIGINATED WHERE?WOODRO::BUCZYNSKITue Sep 19 1989 12:1020
    re .2
    
    How does that go?   " you have got to learn how to be *gods*
    yourselves"
    
    Joe Smith, pp 345-346
    
    That sounds tooooo familiar. I believe the original of that is found
    in Genesis 3:4,5  " you will not surely die," the serpent said to
    the woman. "for God (only devine) knows that when you eat of it
    your eyes will be open and you will be like God, knowing good and
    evil".
    
    Am I missing something or is the originator of this doctrine the
    great deciever himself! 
    
    Jesus said that God, the Faather is spirit and must be worshipped in
     spirit and in truth.
    
    
273.4Let's meet at the appropriate noteCACHE::LEIGHDo not procrastinate repentanceTue Sep 19 1989 12:4133
Re .3
    
>    That sounds tooooo familiar. I believe the original of that is found
>    in Genesis 3:4,5  " you will not surely die," the serpent said to
>    the woman. "for God (only devine) knows that when you eat of it
>    your eyes will be open and you will be like God, knowing good and
>    evil".
>    
>    Am I missing something or is the originator of this doctrine the
>    great deciever himself! 

I've already discussed the scripture you referenced in Genesis in Note 4.44.
If you would like to discuss it further, I'll be happy to switch to note 76
which is discussing Adam's transgression and exchange viewpoints with you.
This note is for discussing Joseph Smith, and switching to 76 will keep this
one from becoming fragmented.

    
>    Jesus said that God, the Faather is spirit and must be worshipped in
>     spirit and in truth.
    
I've discussed in note 4.2 the scripture from John 4:24 that you referenced
(note 4.1 should be read first to establish context about God), and if you
would like to continue that discussion, I'll be glad to switch to note 97 so
we can share our thoughts with each other.

If you decide you would like to continue the discussions, please post a reply
to the appropriate note, and I (and other LDS) will respond.  I think it is
obvious to everyone that our purpose in this would be to exchange ideas so
we better understand one another, rather than trying to change the beliefs of
the other.

Allen