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| 157.1 | Reorganized LDS Church | RIPPLE::KOTTERRI | Rich (Welcome Back) Kotter | Fri Aug 12 1988 08:42 | 48 |
| Re: Note 157.0 by NWD002::JOLMAMA
Hi Matt,
I'll take a stab at some of your questions:
> Having recently heard reference to the Reformed Latter Day Saints
> (RDLS), I thought this would be an interesting topic for this notes file.
>
> For starters, I am interested in knowing:
>
> What is the relationship between RLDS and the LDS Church?
The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was formed
after Joseph Smith was killed by the mob. It was formed by some of the
church members who felt that the subsequent presidents of the church
should be Joseph Smith's descendants. They did not accept Brigham Young
as the next president of the church, and they did not migrate to the
Salt Lake Valley with the body of the saints, but remained behind.
The LDS church holds that when one president of the church dies, the
senior apostle becomes the next president of the church. This is also
similar to the Biblical pattern. When Christ ascended into heaven,
Peter, the senior apostle, became the presiding church leader.
> Where do the two doctrines, convenants, and theology agree and
disagree?
I don't know all of the differences, but besides the question of
succession in the presidency of the church, another difference is that
they have evolved to include a paid clergy, where the LDS church does
not. They do not accept some of the revelations the LDS church does,
and I believe they have some new ones of their own. They do believe in
the Book of Mormon, and accept Joseph Smith as a prophet.
> Does the LDS Church hold these people to be Mormons?
The term 'Mormon' is a colloquial expression, anyway. I suppose anybody
who wants to call themselves a Mormon can do it. We do not hold them to
be members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which we
regard to be the only church with direct authority from God. We regard
them as an apostate break off of the church, as are some other
organizations. We do not recognize their authority as being from God.
Perhaps others can also share their insight into these questions.
Rich
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| 157.2 | | CACHE::LEIGH | | Wed Aug 17 1988 18:02 | 10 |
| A few other differences between the LDS and the RLDS in theology are
o polygamy (up to 1890 that is)
o temple work for the dead
o temple marriage for eternity
Allen
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| 157.3 | | LAIDBK::FRIEDMAN_MI | Don't be happy; worry. | Tue Jan 09 1990 00:58 | 3 |
| A recent news story told of killings by a cult that were members
of the "Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints."
What is the relationship, if any, of this cult to the true Mormon church?
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| 157.4 | | DNEAST::STTHOMAS_KEV | | Tue Jan 09 1990 08:18 | 16 |
| The cult or the RLDS? No, the RLDS is not a cult, just a breakoff of
the LDS church. Of course, the RLDS considers us a breakoff group
from them. As for the cult, I'm sure the RLDS church doesn't sanction
such activity and will issue some disclaimer and condemn the actions
of this group, just as we would had it happened in our own church.
Maybe they were descendants of the Danites????
The RLDS church itself was formed over a period of time, from members
that were disaffected from the LDS church. Emma Smith, the prophet's wife
and her children, were members. Indeed, Joseph Smith III, Joseph's son
was the RLDS leader for many years, followed by his descendants.
The LDS and RLDS today have a good relationship with one another and
are involved in much historical activity in restoring the early church
artifacts, buildings, etc.
Kevin
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| 157.5 | | MIZZOU::SHERMAN | ECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326 | Tue Jan 09 1990 16:30 | 7 |
| According to a report I heard, the RLDS church claims no connection to
the cult other than that the members of the cult were at one time
members of the RLDS church. In particular, a spokesman described some
of the beliefs of the cult as being foreign to those of the RLDS
church.
Steve
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| 157.6 | It's a shame | TOMCAT::PRESTON | Taphonomy R Us | Thu Jan 11 1990 13:06 | 16 |
| I heard that the only connection with the RLDS was that the leader of
the cult was a "disaffected" former RLDS minister, which means only
that he used to be RLDS, nothing more. It's too bad that decent
religious groups have to suffer from any association - no matter how
tennuous - with dangerous kooks. It reinforces too many people's idea
that "religion" is connected with mental instability.
BTW, for what it's worth, as I understand it the RLDS parted from the
LDS over the issue of succession following Joseph Smith's death. They
claim that Smith had intended that his son succeed him, which was
opposed by Brigham Young and others, forcing a parting of the ways.
The only other distinction that I'm aware of is that the RLDS do not
accept all of the books considered scripture by the LDS. Book of Abraham,
I think. Somebody correct me if I have it wrong.
Ed
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| 157.7 | | CSC32::S_JOHNSON | I sing tenor - 10 or 12 notes off. | Thu Jan 11 1990 13:28 | 11 |
| If I remember correctly, their version of Doctrine & Covenants is
different than ours.
Why is it that reporters state what an individual's religion is when
they commit a bad crime if they are mormon or catholic or something
like that? For example, they might say an ex-mormon bishop did this,
but they never say an inactive 7th day adventist did that? I don't
want to offend any 7th day adventists out there, but it was the only
other faith I could think of.
scott
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| 157.8 | | MIZZOU::SHERMAN | ECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326 | Thu Jan 11 1990 23:59 | 7 |
| re: -.1
'Cause it's good press ... They're just responding to the public
interest. I think that there is a lot of curiosity on the part of
the public as to what Mormons really are. Can't blame 'em.
Steve
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| 157.9 | Pardon my cynicism | LESNET::KUSNETZKY | Dan, DTN 223-3839, ESB Technology Consultant | Fri Jan 12 1990 15:51 | 21 |
| <Set cynicism on>
A major misconception many operate under is news organizations are in
the business of providing a clear, complete, and unbiased accounting of
events. In actuality, all media organizations are in the business of
making money by selling advertising time or space, depending upon the
media.
Their main business goal is acquiring and keeping an audience. The
larger the audience the greater amount of money an advertiser pays.
It is in their best interest to make events sound as sensational
as possible without actually lying. Some organizations come awfully
close to the edge every day.
I've found viewing news organizations as entertainment that vaguely
describes events best. EVERYTHING said on the news needs to be
carefully scrutinized in the light of spirit.
<Set cynicism off>
Dan Kusnetzky (Ex News Director of several radio stations)
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| 157.10 | | DNEAST::STTHOMAS_KEV | | Tue Jan 16 1990 16:15 | 14 |
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re: .6
Ed,
You're well on the mark about the RLDS and their beliefs. Bloodline
was in the picture as far as succession goes on the RLDS side.
Interestingly enough, even B. Young himself acknowledged Joseph III's
place in the grand scheme of things, and hoped that the would return
to the fold, If righteous, Jos. III, may well have been prophet some
day. But that's a different subject, and is best left out of this
forum.
Kevin
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