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Conference tecrus::mormonism

Title:The Glory of God is Intelligence.
Moderator:BSS::RONEY
Created:Thu Jan 28 1988
Last Modified:Fri Apr 25 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:460
Total number of notes:6198

123.0. "Who is more Righteous?" by NEXUS::S_JOHNSON () Tue May 03 1988 19:49

Hi, 

At the Denver temple, the women have taken out 30,000 (more or less) more
endowments than the men.  Does this mean that there are more women in this
world that need endowment work done or does it just mean that women have more
time to do things like temple work?  Or better yet, can we suppose that there
are more women in the world than men?  From this can we speculate that women
(on the average) are more righteous than men? 

I have my own ideas, but I will wait and see what others have said before I
express them. 

scott 
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123.1Spiritually inclinedRIPPLE::KOTTERRIRich KotterTue May 03 1988 20:0912
    Hi Scott,
    
    I have vague recollections of talks by general authorities who refer to
    the fact that women tend to be more spiritually sensitive than men. My
    experience bears this out, too, by my observations of the numbers of
    sisters that are active compared to the numbers of brethren. The
    brethren who are active probably can thank their wives for that, too.
    
    Your Brother in Christ,
    Rich
    
        
123.2More males in USVAX4::ALLENWed May 04 1988 08:2711
    Agree with Rich in reply 1.  The US census that I saw about 10 years
    ago indicates more men are born in the US than women.  But more
    baby boys die than girls and by the time they reach the end of the
    teen years there are more girls than boys.  I have often thought
    that this might be the way the Lord ensures some men will make it, for
    if they were left here to tarry they might not.
    
    And just to have a balance, I have seen more than one sister destroy
    her husbands faith and desires.  But I do agree with Rich that sisters
    can have a good influence on their husbands and can help an ordinary
    man become a great leader in their own home and in the church.
123.3The "Opposite sex" is...TEMPE1::LARSENSat May 07 1988 19:1358
Hi Scott,
	I too have pondered this question from time to time.  The
Scriptures have some thoughts on this that show how the Lord 
feels about the tender thoughts of righteous women.

	And also it grieveth me that I must use so much boldness 
        of speech concerning you, before your wives and children, 
        many of whose feelings are exceedingly tender and chaste 
        and delicate before God, which thing is pleasing unto God;

Book of Mormon, Book of Jacob 2:7

We see here that tender, chaste and delicate feelings are 
pleasing unto God.  I believe that we can assume such feelings in 
his sons are also pleasing to Father.  I am of the opinion that 
such feelings are far and away in the minority among the male of 
the species, whereas these are traits that are by in large 
characteristic of the female sex.  There are a lot of places we
could go from here.
    
We could explore the speculative notion that men are given the 
priesthood to help them become equal to women.        

We could discuss how society teaches (traditions of the fathers)
males that such traits are only allowed in females and males are 
under tremendous peer pressure to conform to a coarser norm.

We could stage another full blown battle of the sexes and get 
ensnared in the morass of exceptions that are ever more becoming 
the norm.

Scott, you have invited me to share my opinion.  I would like to do 
that.  It is not "truth" but is my opinion as the result of my 
experience, temporal and spiritual.

I have attended temples in Utah and here in Mesa, Arizona where I live.  
In Utah I noticed a higher percentage of women in the sessions that I 
attended.  Here in Mesa it has been a different story.  Every session 
I have been to has had an equal number of males or more commonly 20 to 50% 
higher in number of males.  

Generalizing about humans, in my opinion, is the work of a fool.
Especially when it is about the "Opposite sex" type of humans.
(Isn't that right, Tamara?) 
Of course in so saying, I am a fool.  Still I, love to do it even
though I am most often proven wrong.  I do not dare generalize to 
far about your assumption, however, on my experience as it may only 
show that more men prefer to go to the evening sessions I usually 
go to.
    
    
    

In our Lord's Love,
-gary


    
123.4My thoughtsNEXUS::S_JOHNSONMon Jun 06 1988 01:2931
Hi,

I said I would post my own opinions.  I finally have some time where I can do 
so.

I do agree with most of what has been said and am thankful for the replies.
I do think women are more righteous than men.  I don't know if it is related to 
the men being given the task of having to work and earn for his family by the 
sweat of his brow.

Let me close my reply by quoting what Joseph F. Smith has said:

	There are people fond of saying that women are the weaker 
	vessels.  I don't believe it.  Physically, they may be; but 
	spiritually, morally, religiously and in faith, what man can 
	match a woman who is really convinced?  Daniel had faith to 
	sustain him in the lion's den, but women have seen their sons 
	torn from limb to limb, and have endured every torture satanic 
	cruelty could invent because they believed.  They are always 
	willing to make sacrifices and are peers of men in stability,  
	Godliness, morality and faith.  I can not understand how a man 
	can be unkind to any woman, much less to the wife of his bosom 
	and the mother of his children, and I am told that there are 
	those who are absolutely brutal, but they are unworthy the name 
	of men.  I believe that most women are very devoted to their 
	children, desiring for them most ardently all that is good, and 
	I loathe with every fibre of my soul the son who turns against 
	the mother who gave him birth.  (Gospel Doctrine. pg. 352) 


scott