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>In the meantime, I hope Dave Brown gets a rotator cuff injury....or gets 
>hit by a truck.

HEY!! that ain't funny.  I don't go wishin that Dave Brown has a small 
penis like you do, so you shouldn't go wishing that he has my ailment.

brews, willing to see what happens with Fassel

|>In the meantime, I hope Dave Brown gets a rotator cuff injury....or gets 
|>hit by a truck.
|
|HEY!! that ain't funny.  I don't go wishin that Dave Brown has a small 
|penis like you do, so you shouldn't go wishing that he has my ailment.

Brews,  you must have me mixed up with George May-wee-ski (which means small
penis in an alcoholically, racially-biased, induced stupor-langugae).

I just figured your ailment means you can't throw, so why not Duck Brown too...


>brews, willing to see what happens with Fassel

I can tell you what will happen....;^)

Well, it's looking more and more like Parcells is going to be coaching in New
Jersey, but with the <UGH!> Jets.

In my opinion, that's just going to cement this egotistical view that folks
have of George Young.

Sure, George will counter with "But I needed someone now", but if he has waited
two weeks, and put his freakin' ego on the back burner, he could have gotten
Pacells back, and done what was best for the team.

Now, withing five to seven years, Parcells will be taking the Jets to the
playoffs while the Giants wallow through four years of another George Young
handpicked coach....


Thanks George, you freakin' fool....

The Jets are cursed.  Somehow, they'll figure out a way of screwing this whole
thing up.

By the way, Fassel has hired most of his staff.  My favorite hire is the
offensive coordinator who isn't.  I think the name is Jim Skipper and he was a
former RBC (remember TRBC?? ;-) ).  Given that Fassel makes the playbook and
calls the plays, I don't know what this guy will do.

Anyway, the rest of the hires have been so uninteresting, that I haven't been
motivated to note them here.

Pistol

I'm loving this.

We're going to see just what George Young wants.  Too funny.

The guys on WFAN are giving it a positive spin, but can't avoid the fact that
Fossil has done NOTHING as an OC.  He's been on teams that have done NOTHING.


George Young will be retired or dead before the Giants play for it all again.


'Saw

You really think that Parcells/Young/Mara could have buried whatever 
hatchets they had left over from when Parcells was here last?  I don't 
think there was anyway for Parcells to come back to the Giants.

And as far as Fassel doing nothing as an OC, you obviously weren't 
watching the Cards under Butty.  They actually had a somewhat interesting 
offense, given that they had no QB and no OL.

brews

>
>You really think that Parcells/Young/Mara could have buried whatever 
>hatchets they had left over from when Parcells was here last?  I don't 
>think there was anyway for Parcells to come back to the Giants.
>

Well, I'm reminded of Tinkers-Evers-Chance, one of the best DP combinations
ever, who wouldn't speak to each other off the field.

If you want to win a Super Bowl, you go after the BEST coach available out
there.  At least that's what you or I would do.  George Young, who has
Wellington Mara in his back pocket, chose to go after a stiff who would agree
with him, and who's biggest indictment so far is that he things Dave Brown is
an NFL caliber QB.

That's the same George Young who so knowingly stated "We won two Super Bowls
this way..."

Ahem, uh, George, wake up, the game has passed you buy, you blithering idiot!


>And as far as Fassel doing nothing as an OC, you obviously weren't 
>watching the Cards under Butty.  They actually had a somewhat interesting 
>offense, given that they had no QB and no OL.

Interesting doesn't put championships on the table.  Interesting is the run and
shoot, or Marv Levy's K-gun.

Most of the OCs who go on to become successful coaches come out of successful
programs.  I'd hardly call the Cardinals successful.

I'm telling you right now that Fossil is going to come in here and do things
George's way.  You know, George Young, the man who hasn't had a first round
pick pan out since Rodney Hampton six years ago?  So this Genius George Young
is going to dictate to Fossil what's what, and the first order of business is
to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (read that Dave Brown).  I'm tellin'
ya, it cannot be done.

Fossil (interesting or not) :== more of the same.....

>Well, I'm reminded of Tinkers-Evers-Chance, one of the best DP 
>combinations ever, who wouldn't speak to each other off the field.

It's quite a bit different when you got 3 guys who have to stay 90 feet 
away from each other when they work than when you got two guys who have 
to be in the same room.  That's a bad analogy.


>>And as far as Fassel doing nothing as an OC, you obviously weren't 
>>watching the Cards under Butty.  They actually ha a somewhatinteresting 
>offense, given that they had no QB and no OL.

>Interesting doesn't put championships on the table.  Interesting is the 

And if you had judged Parcells after as harshly after one year on the 
job, you'd be hoping he was gone.  Fassel actually had less than a year, 
the Cards had no plan (they still don't have a GM or Player Personnel 
guy) and Buddy had raped the offense to build up [sic] his defense.

brews

Bottom line, Fossil is suspect because he things Dave Brown is an NFL caliber
QB.

Simms had a rocky start too, but looking in Simms' eyes you KNEW.  All I see
when I see Dave Brown's eyes is what I see on the odd occasion I get a deer
frozen in my headlights....

Fossil will suck -- he's a George Young yes-man.

    	Well, its been a long time since I have said anything but the 
    Headcoaching issues stirred up some thoughts. Before this, I've been
    in such a lull over this past season it just hasn't been worth the
    effort to even talk about the "Little" Big Blue. 
    
    	Fassel has no real credentials.  He was with the Giants, left to a 
    losing team Cardinals and really didn't have time to do anything. Where
    did he come from before the Giants?  A very low profile, quiet, meek
    head coach to be manipulated by Young.  Young would have never gone for
    a high profile coach, someone who would have challenged him, caused
    controversy, etc.  Fassel is focused on making Duck Brown a NFL QB. 
    Chuck Knoll was ruined, if I recall, by doing the same when he stuck
    with Mark Malone for so long. Fassel will not question or buck the
    system. He knows he is the head coach and only the coach. Nothing more.
    Which is the way Young wants it. Think of all the coaches out there
    getting positions, Ditka, Vermeil, Ross, Reeves, other then the 49ers
    selection Fassel is the unknown, unmentionable name. A darkhorse?
    I think not. A buttboy, yes-man....odds are for this... 
    
    	As for Parcells. He would have never came back to NYG.  Not while
    Young is in place. Remember, He wants Youngs job. Not to work for Young
    no matter how much money you offer him. Contract terms are in limbo
    with him right know anyways. He probably won't coach next year but
    could end up a GM for the Jets for a year then GM/Coach next year.
    He gets a 1 year HC with a year contract and then next year Bill is 
    GM/HC and the HC is now on Tuna's staff. He beats the system, gets his
    team and is still in Jersey.  2 years and Parcells has the NYJ as
    a wildcard. Think about it, 1-15. He can only make it better and come
    out smelling like a rose.  He goes down as the greatest coach ever. 
    Especially if he can bring the condemned Green machine to the playoffs.
    Perfect situation for him to become immortalized in the NFL.
    
    		Taz

I'm not happy about Parcells going to the Jets.  To me, that would be similar
to Ted Williams or Carl Yastrzemski closing their careers with the Yankees.

I like Bill Parcells, and think he's one of the best.  He'll never pass
Lombardi IMO, but he's on the step right below.


Fossil will amount to nothing.  As Giants fans we must accept the fact that the
Giants are going to be out of it for quite a while.  George Young hasn't had a
first round draft pick pan out in six years.  He hasn't had a decent QB since
he mistakenly let Simms go.

I cannot see the situation getting any better.  As I said, we can only hope
that Wellington Mara (whom I'm assuming is Young's biggest and perhaps only
supporter) drops dead, or Young himself drops dead, because if neither of these
things happen, George Young will be eating strained peas through a straw at the
age of 97 and still trying to convince us that he knows the game.  It could be
THAT long of a wait.


Actually, I'm very disappointed in Fossil's selection, but it does set up an
interesting scenario.  We just saw Bill Parcells, functioning as GM/Coach, take
the Patriots to the Super Bowl.  Dan Reeves, the other guy who bumped heads
with Jug Ears George recently, has got his GM/Coach position down in Atlanta.

It will be interesting to see if the GM/Coach can do better over the next
several years than George and his Yes-Man will....

Believe it or not, I'm bettin' on Reeves.....

>I'm not happy about Parcells going to the Jets.  To me, that would be similar
>to Ted Williams or Carl Yastrzemski closing their careers with the Yankees.

Wade Boggs too?  And almost Roger Clemons....

It's all quiet on the western front.  While big doings on going on east of the
Meadowlands, it's probably pretty much business as usual in Giants land.

For the first time in many, many, many years, I'm not looking forward to the
upcoming football season.  Perhaps its because I've got this sinking feeling
that we're going to see a re-run of the 1970s....  Pity, because I think I
threw the old Wild Cherry 8-Track out long ago....

Jim Fossil is a Pete Carroll wannabe......


'Saw

Been REAL quiet.  Obviously, the Jets are grabbing all the attention around here
these days.  Not to be outdone by the NE media, my local paper covered the
arrival of Tuna and his movers to his new home.  It's a beautiful house - but
not as big as I would have expected.  Doesn't look too secure either.  Maybe
I'll go over and chat someday.  ;-)

Read an article today about how Fassel is off to the combines and was able to go
through Newark airport without being recognized.  He didn't offer any insight on
what positions they were interested in with the #7 pick.  They did note that he,
Boisture and the team head shrink have been working together fabulously....

The Giants have been trying to rework some contracts so they can load up on
those "3rd tier" free agents.  Ron Stone took a huge paycut for this season
(he'll only get $200,000) in exchange for a 1-year extension worth $2M.

Ho-hum

Pistol

Wow, I'm excited by all those third tier free agents.  And Stone -- wasn't he
the stellar one?  Yeah, right....

Rocky Thompson, Leon "Not So" Bright....  Deja Vu all over again....

NFL players voting on playing surfaces said that Giants Stadium had the 5th
worse in the league.  So, it looks like the Giants will be getting a new surface
this fall.  They are looking into what is described as a "grass/synthetic"
surface.  No idea what that means - supposedly, it's popular in European soccer
stadiums.

Pistol

    I have heard of some of this stuff. Seems they intermix real grass with
    fake grass. They put a mesh of synthentic grass over some sod. The real
    grass grows through the holes in the mesh. The two combine to form a
    surface simlar to real grass that is more durable than sod. With the
    pounding that Giants stadium takes this might be enough to maintain an
    almost real surface.
    
    When I when in Giants stadium for the worldcup I loved the look of real
    turf. It would be so cool for Giants stadium to have real grass.
    
    HnS 

There's nothin' like real grass.  


George YOung is a boob....

>   I have heard of some of this stuff. Seems they intermix real grass with
>   fake grass. They put a mesh of synthentic grass over some sod. The real
>   grass grows through the holes in the mesh.

Sounds interesting.  Probably helps to keep the sod from being torn up - which
probably means a player's feet could still "stick" to it, the bad part of
artificial turf.

In the end, Young will probably have them on standard artificial stuff.

First look at the draft!  Here's Kiper's first shot at what the draft will look
like (up to the Giants pick):

1-N.Y. Jets, Orlando Pace*, OT, Ohio State
2-New Orleans, Peyton Manning*, QB, Tennessee.
3-Atlanta, Darrell Russell*, DT, USC.
4-Baltimore, Peter Boulware*, DE/OLB, Florida State.
5-Detroit, Shawn Springs*, CB, Ohio State.
6-St. Louis, Bryant Westbrook, CB, Texas.
7-N.Y. Giants, Dwayne Rudd*, OLB, Alabama.  Kiper's comment:  With collegiate
defensive end/outside linebackers often solely responsible for attacking from
the outside, it is rare to find a multi-dimensional type who can do everything.
Rudd is quite a football player.

The Giants signed Denny Marcin, Univ of Ill. defensive coordinator, as their
defensive line coach.  Fassel's staff is no complete.

Jessie Armstead joins Stone as Giants who have had their contracts reworked.  He
signed a 3-year $5.5M contract last year.  His new deal adds two more years and
is now worth $10.6M.  The Giants save about $600,000 this year.  Seems to me
that more and more players are being forced into taking big cuts today for the
possibility of really big bucks down the road.  Odds are that they'll never see
those dollars.  Instead, they'll renegotiate again or be waived.

Jesse Campbell is rumored to possibly be waived to make even more cap room.

Strahan, Miller, Bishop, Cross, and Williams are also targets for renegotiating.

Pistol

YOu can bet your bottom dollar is that Rudd is any good, we won't get him.

Mikey, you slay me, and take me back to my evil college days....


'Saw

The Giants officially announced the entire coaching staff yesterday.

Def. coordinator John Fox says he'll use an agressive, attacking 4-3 defense. 
He noted the lack of sacks last season as a problem.

QB coach Ron Dowhower on Dave Brown: "He's tough, he's mobile, he's got a strong
arm and he's got experience. That's hard to find at that position. It's hard to
find a player that can play that position and succeed at this level of play. He
has those qualities. And the good ones that I've been around have those
qualities." 

<gag>

Fassel says there will be an open competition for the starting RB position.  RB
coach (and "offensive coordinator"), Jim Skipper feels that Hampton has plenty
left.  They plan to start over with Wheatley from scratch.

Fassel identified left tackle (Bishop), defensive tackle (Agnew, Harris) and
safety (Sehorn & Campbell?) as positions that they might try to upgrade though
free agency.  It's believed the Giants are about $3M under the cap.

The Giants have a single "transistional player" tag available to use.  GY says
they won't use it.

Lastly, the chairman for the NJSEA (which controls Giants Stadium) says new
astroturf will be installed for the upcoming season.  However, he says it will
be the last rug installed.  In 2-3 years, technology will allow for a natural
grass surface to be used.

Pistol

|
|Def. coordinator John Fox says he'll use an agressive, attacking 4-3 defense. 
|He noted the lack of sacks last season as a problem.
|

Hmmm, an agressive attacking style 4-3 defense.  I guess we're going to get the
talent for that type of defense from those third tier free agents.



|QB coach Ron Dowhower on Dave Brown: "He's tough, he's mobile, he's got a strong
|arm and he's got experience. That's hard to find at that position. It's hard to
|find a player that can play that position and succeed at this level of play. He
|has those qualities. And the good ones that I've been around have those
|qualities." 


I think what he's really saying is that it's hard to find a QB with all those
"strengths" that SUCKS AS BAD AS DAVE BROWN.    Dave Brown will NEVER succeed
and we're just wasting time trying to get him to.


|<gag>

Ditto.

|Fassel says there will be an open competition for the starting RB position.  RB
|coach (and "offensive coordinator"), Jim Skipper feels that Hampton has plenty
|left.  They plan to start over with Wheatley from scratch.

Well, he's anything but controversial.  Pick the place on the team where you
can't lose having an open competition.   Wheatley sucks.  Hampton can't lose.



Gonna be a long time till the Giants win the division....

 year 1: Fire Reeves
 year 2: first pick in the draft
 year 3: retire Brown
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 year 8: Young retires
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 year 17: Jimmy Jognson assumes total control
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 year 20: NFL CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!

And I'll only be 58 years old -- young enough to enjoy it still! 8^)

    Horan and Campbell were both released last week.  Keith Hamilton was
    re-signed.
    
    The Giants appear to be seriously interested in Larry Centers.  They
    were the first to contact him on Friday and presented an offer.  Since 
    Centers knows Fassel and vice-versa, no interviews were needed. 
    Centers is likely to get a lot of attention from other teams but has
    excelled under Fassels offensive scheme.  Be interesting to see if we
    get him.
    
    Pistol
    

Centers won't do us a damned bit of good if Duck Brown is going to toss that
soft little out to him -- you know, the one that ALWAYS gets picked off.

Brown is the achilles heel of this team, and until George Young has the balls
to admit that to himself, and to get a decent coach, this team will go nowhere.

However, this will be a great season because it is a referendum of sorts.


Reeves in Atlanta, Parcells in New York, and George Young with his egocentric
scheme are all going head to head.  We'll see who does what....

Well, it looks like the Giant's infatuation with Centers might be dying out. 
The bottom line is that Centers probably doesn't like NY so much that he's
willing to take what the Giants are offering.  The Giants are really strapped by
the cap despite some of the moves they have made.

Of course, have you noticed anybody making big bucks who hasn't been approached
about a renegotiation?  Sure you have -- Dave Brown.  Some think the Giants are
being gentle with his psyche and are worried this would further hurt his
confidence.  Pullllllllhease....

Pistol

Brown must have married George's 42 year old daughter who was still living at
home with no prospects, no teeth, an ache problem and a beer gut and no one's
telling us...........

You just said a mouthful there Mikey....  And it's prolly all true too!

Stan White got assigned to the WLAF.

The whole Larry Centers thing looks to have been a ploy by his agent to jack up
his asking price.  The agent has been passing rumors about offers from the
Giants and visits to interview with them.  In the meantime, Centers wants $3M
per.  The Giants are about $1M under the cap.  Nobody else is biting at the
opportunity to pay the guy $3M.  The agent did drive the Cards up to $2.5M, so
he'll probably stay.

Pistol

PS - Keith Elias was cut free as well.  He might end up with Reeves in Atlanta.

>Stan White got assigned to the WLAF.


That sucks.  I always wanted to see how this guy panned out.  But of course
we got George Young's YesMan as coach, so I have to realize we'll never see
anything but Brown, Brown, and more (sigh) Brown.

>PS - Keith Elias was cut free as well.  He might end up with Reeves in Atlanta.

I liked this kid -- a lot of heart.  Oh well.

The Giants still have White's rights.  He just gets some
playing time in the WLAF.

Mike

But seriously, how much of a look will he ever get here?

Fossil is convinced that Dave Brown is his man.  Convinced to the point of
foolishness if you ask me -- we've got another Chrissy Everett here.

that's why Fossil is so in love with Larry Centers. He figures Duck can reach
Centers with the ball as Larry's never more than 5 yards from the line of
scrimmage when he catches a pass anyways.

That makes a lot of sense -- who needs a strong arm then.

I think Centers is overvalued.  He's great as a receiver out of the 
backfield, as a blocker, and as a leader.  But he's not a good runner.  
Who wants to spend $2.5 mil on a back who is only used on 3rd down?  
Especially the Giants who are overstocked at rb.  In these days of the 
cap, Larry Centers is an option few teams can afford (and the Cards 
aren't one of those teams either).

brews

Very interesting.

All the news lately is out of the Jets camp.  Obviously, with Parcells over
there it's more news-worthy than the no-name, no-brain coach we've got.

I'll bet George Young has a chubby figuring he's gonna show Parcells up this
season.  

What is that old saying?  Pride goeth before a fall?


heheheheheh.....


'?Saw

It's really been quiet around the entire league.  Supposedly, only 8 free agents
have changed teams.  Last year, at this time, there was close to 30 moves.

One big reason is that the cap only increased $700,000.  With new TV contracts
coming, the cap is supposed to jump substantially next off-season.  That's the
time to be a free agent!

Pistol

The Giants signed 4 "nobodies" the other day - a couple with no pro experience. 
I doubt you could even consider these guys the 2nd or 3rd tier free agents the
team was supposed to pursue.  ;-)

In the meantime, Lawrence Dawsey signed elsewhere.  Elias is still available and
the Giants would like to sign him, if possible.

It still seems to me like the free agent market has been real quiet
league-wide....

Pistol

Ha!

George Young, that erstwhile fat bastard, must be makin' big plans.

Yep, he's just lyin' in wait, lookin' for those second and third tier guys.

A rumor floating about has Dan Reeves' Falcons signing Jason Sehorn to an offer
sheet.  With the Giants having major salary cap problems, there is a better than
good chance that the Giants would have to let him go.

Sounds logical so far.  

The problem is that the Giants would get the Falcons' first round pick - which
is 3rd overall.  Sehorn isn't worth that.....

Pistol

if his favorite two words in the english language are "Yes Dan" than he's
worth it to Goodtime Danny.............

Man, I'd HATE to see Sehorn go.

He and Widmer were the only two guys on that pathetic Giants defense last year
that showed that they had any balls.

Figures that the Giants would let Sehorn go -- yet another typical George Young
mismanaged personnel fiasco.

George will let him go, and then pick up some third tier FA and try to convince
us that we're better off.  Does Meggett/Walker ring a bell?

Sheesh....

Apparently, Sehorn is miffed at the Giant's for some reason or another.  If I
had to guess, it's all about negotiating a new contract.  From what I hear,
Sehorn has already said that he's "outta here" after next season - assuming he
signs a one year deal.

Pistol

or it could be the managment refuse to field a winning team attitude.....Any
team starting Dave Brown is not committed to winning..........

Mike Childs,

Truer words were never spoken....

Sunday, Aug 31	Philadelphia	1pm
Sunday, Sep  7	@Jacksonville	4pm
Sunday, Sep 14	Baltimore	1pm
Sunday, Sep 21	@St. Louis	4pm
Sunday, Sep 28	New Orleans	1pm
Sunday, Oct  5	Dallas		1pm
Sunday, Oct 12	@Arizona	4pm
Sunday, Oct 19	@Detroit	4pm
Sunday, Oct 26	Cincinnati	1pm
Sunday, Nov  9	@Houston	4pm
Sunday, Nov 16	Arizona		1pm
Sunday, Nov 23	@Washington	8pm
Sunday, Nov 30	Tampa Bay	4pm
Sunday, Dec  7	@Philadelphia	1pm
Sat, Dec 13	Washington	12:30pm
Sunday, Dec 21	@Dallas		1pm

The Reeves-Sehorn thing is really heating up and now it seems more possible that
the Giants could be holding the 3rd and 7th draft picks this year.

Reeves asked Sehorn's representatives to come up with a number that would be
acceptable to them and one that the Giants wouldn't match.  The number came back
as $12.4M over 4 years with a $4M signing bonus.  Furthermore, the contract was
to be *guaranteed*.  Guaranteed contracts are almost unheard of in the NFL.

So now it's up to the Falcons to decide to accept/reject/modify the offer. 
Reeves' thinking on this is that good CBs are a rare commodity and he figures it
would cost him more to sign the #3 pick in the draft.

The Rams are also interested in Sehorn and are expected to him him visit soon.

What could kill the Falcon deal is that they are talking about swapping 1st
round picks with the Seahawks (11th).  In case you think that they'd do this in
order to give up a lesser pick for Sehorn, there is a rule which would prohibit
this.

Pistol

So it looks like the parade of talent away from the Giants will continue.

What does Sehorn have to lose?  He's young, and he's surely not going to win a
championship on the Giants any time soon.  Go to Alanta, make his 12 mil, push
his value up over the next four years, then hop onto a contender for the
championship to cap the career...

What does Young have to lose?  A damned fine CB with fire in his belly who
comes to play.


Young is an asshole....

Several notes ago, I noted that I had heard that Sehorn was upset with the
Giants and wanted out.  Well, I just saw a report where he was gushing about the
new coaching staff - especially the secondary coach.  So who knows?

Also, Sean Landeta asked for and received his release from the Rams recently. 
The Giants, of course, released Horan.  Hmmmmmm........

Pistol

Let's hope Landetta gets a helmet that fits this time around.....


'Saw

    Looks like National TV coverage is lite again this year
    
    Sun Nov23 Giants at Washington 8pm ESPN
    Sun Dec13 Washington at Giants 12:30 Fox
    
    of interest 
    Sept 14th Jets at New England 8pm TNT

Hey, with a no-name coach, a sucky QB, and a loser GM whose formed a loser
team, why would anyone, say, in Duluth, MN be interested in seeing the 
Giants?????

8^)

because Giants' fans are spreadout across the country. We're diehearts who love
misery.

it's going to be a tough year with no Reeves to kick around when things go bad.

z

There's always George Young....8^)

    You guys are wasting all this energy way too early wait until at least
    the pre season or its all going to be stale by then.  5 months is bad
    enough.
    
    

Well, it looks like Reeves did want to stick it to the Giants but he screwed up
on the rules.

The Falcons and Seahawks swapped a bunch of draft picks including first rounders
(Falcons @ #3 and Seahawks @ #11).  Reeves then thought he'd try to sign Sehorn,
giving the Giants the #11 pick instead of #3.  Problem is that there are rules
that say you have to have your highest draft pick in your possession to do so.

Although it was reported in several NY papers last week before the trade
happened, Reeves was unaware of the rule.  So some NY reporters are having a
good laugh at the Falcons for giving Reeves so much control over operations.

Pistol

    
    	Way I see it, we got screwed if Reeves was going to give up #3 for 
    Sehorn.   I would have rather had the #3 pick then Sehorn.  We will
    lose him next year anyways.  A #3 pick we could have for at least 5 
    years.  #3 should be an Impact player. Maybe even a QB?  Now nothing.
    I think we lost on this deal.....Reeves still haunts us from abroad.
    
    	Taz

We lose every day that the egomaniacal George Young gets up, looks in the
mirror, and decides he still has what it takes to build a Super Bowl winning
team in the Meadowlands.

We lose every day that Fossil gets up, looks in the mirror, and thinks that he
can build a winning team in the Meadowlands.

We lose every day that Dave Brown, gets up, looks in the mirror, and decides
that he has what it takes to be a quarterback in the NFL -- never mind that
fact that he couldn't carry Chrissie Everett's jock on his best day.


We don't need to worry about Reeves.  We're holding three of a kind -- and
unfortunately, it's the three of a kind that would be a royal flush....



'Saw

Saw an interesting rebuttal from the Giants team psychiatrist on the complaints
from Reeves about him.  Reeves had been opposed to the tests that potential
draft candidates had to take as it had eliminated certain players that Reeves
was interested in.

The head-shrink noted that last year, Reeves badly wanted to draft Lawrence
Philips with their first pick.  He said that Philips hadn't even been offered
the chance to take the test and seemed pretty happy that Philips has proved him
right so far.

Pistol

So how does the shrink explain Christian Peter?

I imagine he'd say that Peter has shown a willingness to reform himself and had
been actively doing so prior to being signed.

I'd be more interested in hearing what he would have said a year ago at this
time.  Did he take the test then?  Was he anywhere on the draft board?

Pistol