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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

4342.0. "MAIL AREA / missing directories" by VAXRIO::ABREU () Tue Jul 12 1994 15:24

    Hi,
    
       I have a customer who is running ALL-IN-1 V2.3 . They are having a
    big problem with the mail area OA$SHARE. They have 783 directories but
    someone there that doesn't know ALL-IN-1 decided to delete the shared
    directories that were empty .. now they have a lot of directories
    missing . The mail area is a mess. It seems they didn't need so many
    directories either because many of them  have just one mail message.
    Nobody there knows why so many directories were created and what really
    happenned.
    
       Now, we are thinking in ways to correct this problem. If we delete
    the logical name using the form SM_SHARED_DIR_MASTER .. will it be any
    problem leaving the mail area like this .. would RSD in 3.0 (we'll
    upgrade) reorganize the area correctly .. creating the directories
    correctly ? Or it's better to create all the directories that are 
    missing (they are many ..like hundreds) ...
    
         Any ideas ?
    
         Thanks ... Marcia
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4342.1This is a case for backup.NEWVAX::MZARUDZKII AXPed it, and it is thinking...Tue Jul 12 1994 15:4810
    re -.1
    
    Backup now....
    Shared areas have something that the SDAFs want. If you have users that
    have only one pointer to something in a shared area, perhpas you should
    modify the janitor routines to unshare that entity.
    
    In any case I would run a backup to restore those directorys and files.
    
    -Mike Z.
4342.2more info ... no backupVAXRIO::ABREUTue Jul 12 1994 16:5329
    Hi Mike,
    
      Unfortunately , this is a case where there is no backup. The customer
    has no idea when the files were deleted ... but it seems they were
    deleted in 1992 .. they don't run RSD and they just realized the problem
    when the disk got full and they decided to create new shared
    directories in a new disk ... At this time, we realized that the area 
    was a mess because the pointer to the last directory was wrong and many
    shared directories were missing. RSD doesn't run with the error of file
    not found. And it seems RSD doesn't run properly in 2.3 what wouldn't
    help either.  
      
        Then I thought of correcting the number of directories in the form 
    SM_SDAF_MASTER and or to recreate all the missing 
    directories or  to leave the way it's just deleting the logicals 
    that point to directories that don't exist.  
    
    My doubt is if I do the first option .. recreating all missing
    directories (they were empty when they were deleted) and correcting the
    pointer , I would have a good area again ?... But I would have many
    directories empty ...  May I point the CWW window to these empty
    directories ? 
    
     Or there is no problem in having deleted directories (deleting the
    logicals too)  if the directories  were empty when deleted. Would 
    this cause any problem to a  future RSD procedure that could run in
    3.0 ? 
    
    Marcia
4342.3What RSD will doIOSG::MARSHALLA glitch in realityTue Jul 12 1994 16:5918
Deleting empty directories shouldn't cause any problems, as long as the write
window for the shared area doesn't include any of the deleted directories.

So as there's no way you could restore the directories' contents (if indeed
there were any files in the directories), you may just as well delete the
SM_SHARED_DIR_MASTER entries for these directories and forget about it.

You are correct not to use RSD on V2.3.

RSD in V3.0 may be of some help to you.  It won't create the intervening missing
directories, but will report that they don't exist.

What it will also do is move the write window for you if it is found to include
any of the deleted directories.

You should be able to run the V3.0 version of RSD on your V2.3 system.

Scott