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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

3870.0. "Notification messages - translation ??" by VAXRIO::ABREU () Thu Feb 10 1994 19:45

    Hi,
    
       I have a customer who would like to receive the notification
    messages from MRGATE , MRS and MRX in Portuguese (Brazilian).
    we use ALL-IN-1 Brazilian . So I put a note in the mailbus conference
    to know where this messages are stored . Then they told me that these
    gateways return codes to the User Agent and the User Agent is
    responsible to "write" the notification message.  So I would like to 
    know where I can find these messages to translate them. 
    
    It's interesting that the notification messages sent when the message
    goes to an ALL-IN-1 user from an ALL-IN-1 user are in portuguese. The
    messages are only received in English when they go to the Message
    Router.
    
       Thanks .. Marcia     ALL-IN-1 V3.0A
    
    
       The messages I am talking about would be for example :
    

RE  Message ID: 22806102213991/600494@C60000

Attempted delivery to:

    Country               : BR
    Administrative Domain : EMBRATEL.INTL
    Private Domain        : petrobr
    Organization          : PETROBRAS
    Surname               : BARROS
    Given name            : TRAJANO
    Initials              : TBB
    Organization Unit     : SERINF,DISUS,SEDEST
    Route                 : @C60000		<--
    Route                 : @MRX
    Route                 : @1=BR
    Route                 : @2=EMBRATEL.INTL
    Route                 : @3=petrobr
    Route                 : @5=PETROBRAS
    Route                 : @4=SERINF
    Route                 : @4=DISUS
    Route                 : @4=SEDEST
    Route                 : @8=TBB
    Userid                : TRAJANO BARROS
    Arrival date          : 20-DEC-1993 20:15

This delivery failed. Failure reason was "transfer failure".
Diagnostic was "max time expired".

    
                                                         
         
    
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3870.1Not that I know anything about mail :-)IOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer&#039;s ApprenticeTue Feb 15 1994 11:037
    I'm not a mail expert, but I thought that since we're using the old
    interface to MR, the text comes from MR already set up.
    
    If not, you might like to search in OA$BUILD:MAIL.MSG and see if you
    can find the strings there...
    
    Graham
3870.2Wait for the PFRIOSG::MARSHALLWhen you&#039;ve got a widget, you don&#039;t need gimmicksTue Feb 15 1994 15:0019
Hi,

If ALL-IN-1 (V3.0) generates a service message, it will create a text message in
the language of the system sending the service message.  This then gets sent to
the receiving system and is not translated there.  So if the two systems run the
same language, all is well, but if the recipient uses a different language, the
notification appears to be in the wrong language.

If MR generates a service message, it is an encoded message.  If this is sent to
an ALL-IN-1 (V3.0 or earlier) system, it will get translated into English text
by Message Router at the receiving end, regardless of the languages of the
sending and receiving systems.  ALL-IN-1 V3.0 and earlier do not do anything
with these encoded messages.

There is nothing you can do to change either of these situations.

A PFR may well do things very differently, and a whole lot better :-)

Scott
3870.3FRAMBO::HOFMANNStefan Hofmann, IST FiWi @FRSThu Feb 17 1994 10:3211
    Hi Marcia,
    
    if you still have a copy of my presentation last June, you find this
    stated as "System Generated Messages" in chapters
    	Trouble Shooting, Known Problems  (page 36)
    	Mono / Multilingual (page 24)
    
    do you remember?
    	:-) 
    
    	Stefan
3870.4Hello ! Last question!VAXRIO::ABREUMon Feb 21 1994 14:1615
    Hi Stefan ,
    
      I found the presentation notes and according to this replies , I
    can't do anything about that through ALL-IN-1 .. it seems ALL-IN-1
    receives from the message router , the text of the message in english
    and not just a code as people told me in the mailbus conference .. right ?
    
    I would like to confirm this to try to solve the problem through MR
    side.
    
    Regs,
    
      Marcia
    
    
3870.5FRAMBO::HOFMANNStefan Hofmann, IST FiWi @FRSTue Feb 22 1994 07:2112
    Marcia,
    
    
    there's nothing to add to what Scott wrote in .2.
    If the message is created by ALL-IN-1 the text is sent, not a code
    If the message comes from MR, ALL-IN-1 receives a code, but always
    translates it to English.
    I don't see what you can do about (even on MR side). Let's hope that a
    future release will finally resolve this.
              
    	regards,
    	Stefan
3870.6Patience requiredFORTY2::ASHMail Interchange Group, ReadingTue Feb 22 1994 10:0114
Hi Marcia,

I don't think you're going to get very far with this. As you've summarised, 
the mesages are translated into English by MR as it passes them to ALL-IN-1. 
This MR code is very old, and ALL-IN-1 is now, I think, the only UA which uses 
it.

As ALL-IN-1 is planning to go to the newer, MRIF-based, MR-connection, then 
this means that 
a) the problem will soon go away, as long as you upgrade to Emerald
b) MR support will be reluctant to change the old code (even assuming it's 
possible)

grahame