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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
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2778.0. "Sender fails with RMS-F-FLK .." by TAV02::CHAIM (Semper ubi Sub ubi .....) Mon May 31 1993 13:09

A customer running V2.4 described the following problem:

A user was attempting to send an entire folder of 21 documents via MR to a
remote address by selectiong all the documents from the index and then issuing
an XF. The sender failed with the RMS-F-FLK error.

The sendef failed both in batch and when invoked on-line with 
<mail mti_send_all

I logged into their system. Together with the system manager we were able to
determine (by process of elimination) that it was one particular document which
was causing the problem. Before we had a chance to completely diagnose the
problem we tried editing the file which we could. We then exited the file (F10).
After this we no longer failed.

I would appreciate it if someone could suggest what has happened.

Thanks,

Cb. 

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2778.1Until the mail expert repliesAIMTEC::WICKS_AAlphatraz - Coming Summer 93Tue Jun 01 1993 18:3013
    Chaim,
    
    more questions thatn answers
    
    1) was the locked document current at say EM or WP
    2) did GOLD W show you anymore the Sender usually gives more than 
       just an RMS error
    3) is the customer patched to K605 - lots of Sender/Fetcher stuff 
       fixed aroung 603 or thereabouts.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
2778.2Answers to .1TAV02::CHAIMSemper ubi Sub ubi .....Wed Jun 02 1993 06:4821
>    more questions thatn answers
>    
>    1) was the locked document current at say EM or WP

I really don't know. However, after the file was edited and saved, it certainly
was current in at least WP, and then it did work.

>    2) did GOLD W show you anymore the Sender usually gives more than 
>       just an RMS error

Unfortunately no; just the RMS error. Next time I'll try SET WATCH.

>    3) is the customer patched to K605 - lots of Sender/Fetcher stuff 
>       fixed aroung 603 or thereabouts.
>    

Customer has a fully patched system.

Thanks,

Chaim
2778.3A possible explanationIOSG::SHOVEDave Shove -- REO2-G/M6Thu Jun 03 1993 11:369
    What editor was used to creat the document?
    
    If it was a non-ASCII document (WPS-PLUS, or perhaps WordPrfect), maybe
    it was corrupt in some way which caused the block function of the DSAB
    (which the mail sender calls) to blow up.
    
    Editting the document could have removed the corruption.
    
    Dave.
2778.4WPS-PLUS all the way ....TAV02::CHAIMSemper ubi Sub ubi .....Thu Jun 03 1993 12:4915
>
>    What editor was used to creat the document?
>    

WPS-PLUS !

>    
>    Editting the document could have removed the corruption.

That appears to be the case in all events. The question is what type of
corruption.

Thanks,

Cb.
2778.5It happened again - WHY ???TAV02::CHAIMSemper ubi Sub ubi .....Sun Aug 01 1993 11:1313
This happened again recently at a different customer site; a specific file
could not be SENT from WP or sent as an attachment. The sender would crash with
an RMS-F-FLK error. As in the previous case, merely editing the file and
exiting solved the problem.

The document is a .WPL file. Editing/Printing does NOT return any errors.

I'd really like to understand what may be going on here. So if anyone has any
ideas, I'd really like to hear them.

Thanks,

Cb.
2778.6Not the ful storyFORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOMon Aug 02 1993 10:4710
There's a step missing here. When the user presses Send, the document file is 
copied into the shared area. When the Sender runs, it processes the shared 
file - it will not go and look at the original document. So can you try and 
get the exact full sequenence of events? (Then it'll be up to someone with 
access to the code!)

What priority? After the user hits Send, what is the filename of the message 
in the Outbox?

grahame
2778.7Here is sequence ..TAV02::CHAIMSemper ubi Sub ubi .....Mon Aug 02 1993 11:3039
grahame,

>
>There's a step missing here. When the user presses Send, the document file is 
>copied into the shared area. When the Sender runs, it processes the shared 
>file - it will not go and look at the original document. So can you try and 
>get the exact full sequenence of events? (Then it'll be up to someone with 
>access to the code!)

The sequence is as follows:

1. User created a mail message
2. Attached document A to it 

1. & 2. can be replaced with using Send in WP while document A is the current
document.

3. Issue Send 
4. Message is placed in OUTBOX with status SENT
5. Sender fails to post file in message router (RMS-F-FLK)   

>
>What priority? 

FIRST_CLASS

>After the user hits Send, what is the filename of the message 
>in the Outbox?
>

Didn't check this! Too late now - next time I'll check this as well.

At this point we edit the A document (or GOLD-G it into a newly created
document). Now it works fine.

Thanks,

Cb.

2778.8It must be going wrong earlierFORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOMon Aug 02 1993 13:4737
No, I'm afraid this doesn't make sense!

>The sequence is as follows:
>
>1. User created a mail message
>2. Attached document A to it 

>1. & 2. can be replaced with using Send in WP while document A is the current
>document.

Yes. The call to Attach will MAKE A COPY of Document A, and place it in the 
shared area. Can you check that this actually happens? EM SH on the message 
will show if the message has been shared. And <get cab$.file_att[oa$curdoc] 
will show you where the attachment is (I hope I got the field name right 
there!)

>3. Issue Send 
>4. Message is placed in OUTBOX with status SENT

Now both the message and the attachment (remember, the copy) are in the shared 
area.
>5. Sender fails to post file in message router (RMS-F-FLK)   

>>After the user hits Send, what is the filename of the message 
>>in the Outbox?
>>
>
>Didn't check this! Too late now - next time I'll check this as well.

Yes please.

>At this point we edit the A document (or GOLD-G it into a newly created
>document). Now it works fine.

This SHOULD have no effect on the mail message.

grahame
2778.9Send after Edit - NEW message !!TAV02::CHAIMSemper ubi Sub ubi .....Mon Aug 02 1993 14:4613
>
>>At this point we edit the A document (or GOLD-G it into a newly created
>>document). Now it works fine.
>
>This SHOULD have no effect on the mail message.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. After Editing the A document, we go through the ENTIRE
process again. This means NEW copies of the file are made as this is an
entirely new message as far as A1 is concerned.

Thsnks,

Cb.
2778.10Thanks, but check anywayFORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOMon Aug 02 1993 15:137
OK, now I undertand the sequence of events. But it would still help to check 
all of the intermediate steps. For instance, as well as checking the 
filenames, try reading the whole message after it's created and after it's 
sent. I'm just surprised it gets as far as the Sender before anyone notices 
anything wrong.

grahame