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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

2644.0. "Using some fields of DOCDB" by VNABRW::EHRLICH_K (The Pit and the Pendulum!) Fri Apr 30 1993 11:34

    Greetings to all of you,
    
    	my favourite customer, the CoV, is now going to do a testmigration
    to ALL-IN-1 V3.0-1 to see if their CLIs' working.
    
    They have brought a question about using some fields of DOCDB for their
    own usage.
    
    SYS1 - SYS5
    V1TYPE
    CUSTOMER
    
    I've read Tonys book and found that SYS1 ... now is CREDAT
                                        SYS2 ... now is MODDAT
                                        SYS3 ... placeholder
                                        SYS4 ... placeholder
                                        SYS5 ... placeholder
                                        CUSTOMER ...available for customer use
                                        V1TYPE ... obsolute.
    
    Now the question is, can the fields really be used by customer with
    this release of ALL-IN-1 (ok SYS1+SYS2 not!!!).
    
    Can the CoV use CUSTOMER+V1TYPE with ALL-IN-1 V2.4 without having
    problems with an upgrade.
    
    Best regards
    Charly_from_CSC_Vienna
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2644.1IOSG::MAURICENight rolls in, my dark companionFri Apr 30 1993 12:5714
    Hi,
    
    The SYS1 through SYS5 fields are new field names with V3.0. Please do
    not use them, since we are likely to use them ourselves in Vnext. 
    
    The use of CUSTOMER & V1TYPE has not changed. CUSTOMER is  available
    for customer use, but has been used in the past by layered products
    (DecText?). V1TYPE we have marked as obsolete, but in my unofficial
    opinion we are very unlikely to use it ourselves, or ever get rid of
    it. So IMHO the CoV can use CUSTOMER & V1TYPE.
    
    HTH
    
    Stuart
2644.2Are 6 bytes enough?IOSG::CARLINDick Carlin IOSG, Reading, EnglandFri Apr 30 1993 12:5919
    Charly
    
    Out of all those fields the only one that is for customer use is
    CUSTOMER.
    
    SYS1 to SYS5 are placeholders but reserved for future system use (SYS5
    is already partly used in a pfr).
    
    SYS1 and SYS2 are gaps left when I removed CREDAT and MODDAT from the
    DOCDB, my database upbringing would not let me store the same
    information twice. CREDAT and MODDAT are now created on the fly from
    CREATED_NBS and MODIFIED_NBS when required by data set references.
    
    I don't know the history of V1TYPE, can anyone else help out here?
    
    I have a feeling that this is not the answer you, or CoV, wanted. Will
    this cause problems with their customisations?
    
    Dick_from_Reading
2644.3Fine, that's what I needVNABRW::EHRLICH_KThe Pit and the Pendulum!Fri Apr 30 1993 13:2318
    Stuart and Dick
    
    	yes, that's what I've thought during reading the DOCDB record layout
    in Tonys book. SYS3-SYS5 defined as a placeholder, this can only mean
    you're working with them in a PFR.
    
    Therefore I've posted this note in A1INFO Conference because we're
    talking about futures.
    
    CUSTOMER+V1TYPE can be used by customer, ok. I will talk with CoV now
    (hopefully he's in the office, because it's friday)
    
    However, I'll let you know if this answer is suitable for them.
    
    Many thanks to both and
    
    Best regards
    Charly_from_CSC_Vienna
2644.4Here's a new thought from CoV...VNABRW::EHRLICH_KThe Pit and the Pendulum!Fri Apr 30 1993 14:4625
    Hi,
    
    	hhhmmmm, ok, the COV is happy with your replies, but there's a 
    little problem behind the scene.
    
    The fields CUSTOMER+V1TYPE are not usable for what the CoV will need,
    because by sending a mailmessage this two fields are 'lost'. It seems
    that this two fields are not considered for all filecabinetfunctions. 
    
    What CoV 'only' needs, is one or more fields that will consider
    in all filecabinetfunctions.
    
    They have to add a DVR number which must be defined in every document
    and of course in every mail.
    
    Is there a possibility to use a field or to define a new field that
    ALL-IN-1 doesn't check and it can be used by all filecabinetfunctions. 
    
    Any Ideas ??? Yes, I know,that this not an easy question, but I'm sure
    the COV pays for a good solution.
     
    Best regards
    Charly
    
    
2644.5SIOG::T_REDMONDThoughts of an Idle MindFri Apr 30 1993 16:474
    Why don't they use the old trick of sticking the DVR number onto the
    end of an attribute (part that the user doesn't see), like DSUBJECT?
    
    T
2644.6Sorry, I don't know this trick!VNABRW::EHRLICH_KThe Pit and the Pendulum!Fri Apr 30 1993 17:017
    Tony,
    
    	many thanks for your quick reply. But I must honestly apologize
    that I don't know this trick. Can you explain me how this will work?
    
    Best regards
    Charly
2644.7Briefly....IOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's ApprenticeTue May 11 1993 15:0810
    You'll find several notes in this and previous versions of the
    conference describing this trick. Basically, you use the last few
    characters of the document title whch doesn't normally get displayed,
    to hold your extra data. The title field is carried around the mail
    system and in all the FC functions.
    
    Note that in V3.0, SMU uses this trick to hold the real sender of the
    message, so don't trample on that....
    
    Graham