Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

    
    
    Re your questions 3 & 4 on performance :=
    
       The resource requirements for Starter are the same as for full ALL-IN-1 
       and therefore the guidelines for sizing systems will be the same.
    
       I tested Starter based on V3.0 and my conclusions were that in  a 
       memory short system there will be a 10% reduction in response time. The 
       most marked reductions were in entering and exiting ALL-IN-1. The 
       saving in CPU is negligible. 
    
       The group who produce the sizing figures for ALL-IN-1 have a notes 
       conference at MRKTNG::ASEPG. I don't think that they have done 
       particular sizing for Starter.
    
       					Mark

Hi David,

To answer your questions:

1. ALL-IN-1 STARTER is ALL-IN-1 without: CM, TM, COM, IM, BM and AD.  A few
   other small things might be missing, but the SM, SA, EM, WP, US, DIR, TR,
   GS, JS subsystems remain.  The SPD should explain all this in more detail.

2. As noted above, the CM subsystem is not supplied in STARTER.  This is partly
   to simplify things for the customer, and partly to enable a "core" office
   system to be sold at a competitive price.  What the customer might do to
   their STARTER system is beyond our control.  They can customise it if they
   want, but they don't get the official tools to do it, and they don't get
   any support for their customisations.

   I guess the support arrangements for any unofficial customisations provided
   by Digital support or field people to a STARTER system would get very
   complicated.  If a customer wants to customise their system, they should
   consider buying full ALL-IN-1 instead of STARTER.

3. This is getting tricky, as I'm speaking about an unreleased product, which
   isn't allowed in this conference, but I can make some general statements.
   Officially, the hardware requirements for ALL-IN-1 STARTER are the same as
   for full ALL-IN-1.  In practice, users may find slight performance
   improvements, but we aren't making any specific claims.

4. Answered by Mark in .1

If you can give me some idea what's behind your questions, I might be able to
give some more help.

Scott

    Digital is the hardware and network provider for a $1 billion
    manufacturing company.  The company has 25 facilities in 11 cities in
    the United States.  Associated with the hardware and network, comes
    software and services.
    
    The customer will be rolling out Lotus cc:MAIL for PC users, ALL-IN-1
    for VAX users, and MEMO for IBM mainframe users.  They were not
    thrilled when they saw the quote for full function ALL-IN-1 IOS on a
    VAX 4000/300.  Since ALL-IN-1 Starter is significantly less in price,
    the customer wanted to know if by buying Starter, their processing
    requirements go down, and if so, maybe their hardware costs will
    decrease.  If their processor requirements are less, maybe the license
    costs will also be less.
    
    David
    

David,
	If you ask in A1INFO, I could give you some information on
Starter and where it might go in the future (though I cant get into A1info myself
right now).

eileen

Hi David,

>> the customer wanted to know if by buying Starter, their processing
>> requirements go down, and if so, maybe their hardware costs will
>> decrease

STARTER is cheaper than ALL-IN-1 because some functionality has been taken out.
But the functionality that remains is identical to ALL-IN-1.  So sending a mail
message (as an example) uses exactly the same code in ALL-IN-1 STARTER as in
full ALL-IN-1.  Thus the processing requirements will be the same.

There may be slightly less memory usage and disk usage, simply because
some things aren't there.  But that's all.

>> If their processor requirements are less, maybe the license
>> costs will also be less

Which licence costs are you referring to here?

If you need any more info, mail me.

Scott

    Well, this seems a good place to put this:
    
    A sales rep sold ALL-IN-1 starter to a customer He quoted an additional
    line item "VAX FMS Form Driver SPD 26.10".
    
    The ALL-IN-1 SPDs state these products "include both FMS and Fmrls
    Language Translator".
    
    Since the customer (migrating from another department's VAX to their
    own) have other FMS-based apps, I maintain they will be able to do
    forms editing with what ALL-IN-1 supplies.
    
    I can infer that since Starter is essentially IOS, and I do forms
    editing with IOS, then the FMS which comes with Starter will provide
    the FMS editor as well.  I just can't tell from the SPD "what FMS" it
    provides.  Too bad they don't reference SPD numbers.
    
    What is the "definitive" answer?  I maintain the customer need not buy
    a separate FMS license (ignoring the fact the sales rep quoted the
    runtime version which is wrong anyway, based on the customer's need).
    
    don

    don,
    
    The FMS in STARTER is the FMS in ALL-IN-1 so whatever FMS license is
    used in REAL ALL-IN-1 is the same one you need in STARTER but since
    it's on the tape methinks the customer is being fibbed to.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    Re .9
    
    Actually there isn't only one FMS, there's two. The run-time only
    version and the full version, which have confusingly different names,
    one is something like VAXFMS, and the other FMS...
    
    However, the one in the ALL-IN-1 kit is the full version, including the
    development editor etc.
    
    Graham