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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

2007.0. "Mail stays in INBOX , status READ" by KERNEL::OTHENJ () Tue Dec 22 1992 17:19

Hello,

	I wonder if someone could help me with "cannot blame it on the user 
all the time" type questions??

	Customer is using ALL-IN-1 v2.4 up to patches K603.

	Two users have had the following problem;

	They read a mail message, which is in the INBOX of state UNSENT. This 
mail message was a normal wps-plus file, without any attachments. When the 
document had been read, the user pressed return, and found that the 
document was left in the INBOX, with status READ. If the document is read 
again, it still stays in the INBOX (this is the bit I can understand, as I 
know this is in the code). 

	The first time this happened, the support person thought that this 
was down to user error, but the second time it happened for a "can be 
believed" type user, so he really feels there may be a problem in the code.

	The users are using Pathworks on the PC to log onto their ALL-IN-1 
system, but this should not make any difference, as they are not using 
Desktop. I also do not think they are using Personal Assistant, but I will 
check up on this.

	I have looked through notes/stars etc, and the only errors I can 
find is with forwarding/sending mail etc, so if anyone else has any other 
ideas, it would be much appreciated.

	Thanks,
		Julie 
    
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2007.1Similiar ExperiencesWKOL09::STETSONRick Stetson @WKO DTN 367-4038Wed Dec 23 1992 11:4443
re: -1

>
>        The users are using Pathworks on the PC to log onto their ALL-IN-1 
>system, but this should not make any difference, as they are not using 
>Desktop. I also do not think they are using Personal Assistant, but I will 
>check up on this.
>

Julie,

I don't pretend to be qualified to answer, but I have personally experienced 
this behavior which may help you isolate the "problem".

I first encountered this when we got TeamLinks working with our regional 
ALL-IN-1 IOS V3.0 server.  What I noticed when I left the TeamLinks, after an 
active session of reading messages, deleting some, and moving others, is the 
very scenario you describe.  Those messages which I had READ in the INBOX were 
still in the INBOX tagged READ.  I don't really see this as a problem but 
rather a feature for the TeamLinks user, but it's not my intend to begin a 
rathole on this subject.

So several days later, in a gesture of good corporate citizenship (and to 
avoid "Document Quota H*ll") I did and EW to empty my WASTEBASKET.  I'm doing 
this from a terminal window into the IOS system.  I get back a message from EW 
saying something like "these messages could not be deleted from your 
WASTEBASKET".  After some head scratching I came to the conclusion (see the 
light bulb going off) that these are items that I deleted from TeamLinks.  I 
confirmed this with another test and got the same results.  

I was able to delete these items by clicking on the Empty Wastebasket icon in 
TeamLinks.  The items were then removed from the WASTEBASKET.  After some 
thought I don't really see this scenario as a problem but rather a feature.  

I don't know if this helps, but if your customer is doing TeamLinks it sure 
would point to consistent product behavior even though yours is a V2.4 IOS 
environment.

Hope this helps, and please post the resolution here.

THANKS!!

Rick
2007.2KERNEL::OTHENJTue Jan 05 1993 14:4410
    Thanks for the reply,
    
    	The customer does not have Teamlinks installed on their system, and
    he does not know of any other assets that he has which would affect
    mail. He also does not use Desktop - does anyone else have any other
    ideas??
    
    	Thanks,
    
    		Julie
2007.3FORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOTue Jan 05 1993 15:2516
Julie,

Is there anything else either 'special' or wrong with the message? In trying 
to narrow down the possibilities I remember that the code had to do 5 things 
when finishing read/unread (though I can't remember in which order they get 
done!):

	Decrement the newmail count
	Change status to READ
	Refile to READ folder
	Execute attached function
	Check for (and execute) read receipt request.

Any of those give you a hint? Do 4 out of the 5 work correctly?

grahame
2007.4GASH is right about the post-processingAIMTEC::WICKS_AA year behind in more ways than oneWed Jan 06 1993 04:0615
    .0 presumably contains a typo I hope where it says the message is
    UNSENT in the INBOX
    
    It should of course be UNREAD or have I been away too long??
    
    GASH is wise not to remember which order the five tasks are done since
    they are actually done in a different order depending on whether you
    are reading, printing or deleting whilst reading an unread mail message
    though he did name all 5 tasks correctly - what is it they say about
    old mail developers? - no don't answer that.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
2007.5KERNEL::OTHENJWed Jan 06 1993 11:136
    Yes, the mail did arrive with status UNREAD
    
    What order takes place on reading??
    
    	Thanks,
    		Julie
2007.6And the answer isAIMTEC::WICKS_AA year behind in more ways than oneWed Jan 06 1993 22:0011
    Julie,
    
    Change status from NOTED to READ (change from UNREAD done earlier)
    Refile message from INBOX to READ folder
    Decrement Unread Mail Count
    Dispatch Read Receipt 
    Perform Attached function
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.wicks 
2007.7KERNEL::SMITHERSJLiving on the culinary edge....Tue Jan 12 1993 11:298
    Apparently, the only thing that did not happen was 
    
    Refile message from INBOX to READ folder
    
    The message was nothing strange and only happened once.  However
    the user wants an answer as to why it happened.  Any ideas?
    
    Thanks
2007.8the guesses are getting wilderFORTY2::ASHGrahame Ash @REOTue Jan 12 1993 17:225
Refiling a message will involve deleting a DOCDB record, and writing a new 
one. Is it possible that, at that time, there wasn't enough space to extend 
the DOCDB?

g
2007.9One known causeHVNBND::WARFORDRichard Warford @CEO DTN 367-5455Tue Jan 12 1993 19:036
    Or see the recent note that discusses a failure of the MAIL POSTFUN
    which results in the message remaining in the INBOX. (In the case
    listed it was that the TM system could not locate the meeting attendee
    on a reply to a meeting notice).
    
    Rick
2007.10And another one ...LARVAE::JORDANChris Jordan, TSE - Technology Services, End-User ComputingWed Jan 27 1993 12:2819
    My customer is also convinced that they have read normal messages that
    do NOT get re-filed correctly to the READ folder, and instead remain in
    the INBOX. 
    
    Re-creating the situation is impossible, so nothing gets done... and
    then a week or so later the same thing happens again. 
    
    (Using ALL-IN-1 V3.0 + the .01A patch or whatever it is called.)
    
    Maybe there is enough happening to make it worth investigating??- maybe
    at DOCDB File Extend time??
    
    Customer thinks it might be:
    	while reading :- Gold I, choose another document (RN or similar),
    then Exit Screen out of this document.... and pressing Exit Screen once
    too many times leaves the document in the INBOX.
    But re-trying this causes no problems. 
    
    Cheers, Chris