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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

1943.0. "some ideas about transfering documents?" by AIMTEC::SIMPSON_L () Thu Dec 10 1992 22:35

    Hello,
    
    The Application Probramming team here at the CSC has been asked to consider
    taking on a Revenue Generation opportunity.  I'm placing a brief
    description of the specs here in hopes of getting some thoughts and
    feedback from those who may have had experience with this.
        
    The customer wants to move all the documents, mail messages, etc...
    belonging to a large number of users from one system to another without
    using the transfer user features in ALL-IN-1.  They have ALL-IN-1 V2.4.
    
    We have access to an Assets package called File Cabinet Extended which
    packages the documents in each folder as attachments to a mail message and
    then sends these messages to the other system.  The user can then run the
    option from this Asset on the other system to file these attachments in to
    their file cabinet in the folder name which they were in on the first
    system.
    
    This is fine as far as the customer goes for most users.  However, they
    have some Vice-Presidents who want their accounts to be set up on the
    second system exactly as they left the first system. They want their mail
    messages in the shared directories nor refiled into their personal file
    cabinets.  Is there a reasonable way to do this without using transfer
    user?
    
    Any thoughts, ideas, comments, questions, etc... would be greatly
    appreciated.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Laurie

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1943.11449UTRTSC::SCHOLLAERTAJAX beats KaiserslauternFri Dec 11 1992 07:359
    Hello,
    
    $ dir /tit=merg shows lots of topics on this issue.
    
    Did you see 1449 ?
    
    Regards,
    
    Jan
1943.3proposed steps to move messages AIMTEC::BUTLER_TFri Dec 11 1992 15:4440
    Below are the steps we are considering to move users to another system
    of the same version.  We are concerned here with mail messages and 
    other user folders.  The non mail messages will be taken care of by
    the asset package (.0).  Please be critical and supply any information
    you feel we might need.
    
    proposed steps:
    
    	have users read all pending messages
    	delete old messages and those no longer needed
    	mail jaintor (have user EW)
        all users off the system
    	cofy sdaf's to temp area
    	check for duplicates in sdaf's and remove
    	run sender/fetcher to clear messages (defered mail?)
    	shut off network
    	read manager's mail
    	remove duplicates in pending
    	sm_sdaf_master and sm_shared_dir_master to change file locations
    	
    The move has taken place and before any users get in:
    
    	run the assets package (.0)
    		need to check that it maintains attachments ?
    		rcf option puts attributes in pdaf? 
    		creates identitical mail in new location
    	cab share on all mail messages in vp accounts
    		copy pdaf to sdaf
    		updates count for any all ready shared
    		moves attachments and updates counts
    	check for duplicates in sdaf's and remove duplicates
    
    I am going back and insure that the customer would not prefer to
    have the shared areas set up for all users.  The more I holler
    the more feedback I get :^).		
    
    
    	Thanks,
    
    Tim
1943.5Not simpleIOSG::TALLETTGimmee an Alpha colour notebook...Fri Dec 18 1992 11:1528
    
    	All I can say is that transferring users is non-trivial (as I found
    	out!). Its rather like installation, at first glance you think
    	there's nothing to it, but when you open it up, its a can of worms.
    
    	The bit about reading pending messages is no big deal, just do a
    	GET_PENDING before you start and you don't need this restriction.
    
    	Things you DO need to worry about are
    
    	    o   Username conventions being different on the two systems
    		eg TALLETT on source, P_TALLETT on target.
    	    o   A1 subdirectory conventions being different. EG A1 on
    		the source and A1V3 on the target.
    	    o	VMS directory same as A1 subdirectory or on a different
    		disk.
    	    o   Shared areas being different on the two systems. The
    		source account may reference shared areas that don't
    		exist on the target system. (Don't forget attachments)
    	    o   Error recovery if things go wrong (disk space, crashes)
    
    	I'd recommend trying to understand what transfer user worries about
    	in order to find potential problems.
    
    	Heck, if it was easy, we'd all do it! :-)
    
    Regards,
    Paul