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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:	OLD ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:	Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:	IOSG::PYE

Created:	Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:	Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	4343
Total number of notes:	18308

1203.0. "symbol "$oa$terminator" not found" by COMICS::BARHAM (Norbert:) Fri Aug 07 1992 17:26

    ALL-IN-1 3.0
    
    I have a customer whose application does not now work because it
    interrogates the value of symbol $OA$TERMINATOR which doesn't now exist
    when expected.
    The application uses the OAMAILBOX and DCLMAILBOX and when the user edits 
    a document and does Gold-K, it used to update the value of the symbol 
    $OA$TERMINATOR to be 112 but under v3 it doesn't seem to.
    I see it is still documented in APR Vol 1, p5-41, but if you quit out of
    a document and <get $oa$terminator in v3 it says :-
    
    symbol "$oa$terminator" not found.
    
    Is there another symbol we should interrogate instead ?
    
    Thanks
    
    Clive

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1203.1	OA$FORM_DISPOSE should work...	HYTIDE::CREAMER		`Fri Aug 07 1992 17:41`	8
	> Is there another symbol we should interrogate instead ? How about checking OA$FORM_DISPOSE?? HTH, Jack
1203.2	where's it gone then ?	COMICS::BARHAM	Norbert:	`Fri Aug 07 1992 18:21`	6
	Does this mean that $OA$TERMINATOR has been removed. Is this change of functionality documented ? Thanks Clive
1203.3	functionality removed ? Why ?	COMICS::BARHAM	Norbert:	`Tue Aug 11 1992 16:11`	11
	Can someone confirm/deny whether this symbol has been removed or not ? Customer is now having to rewrite all their applications to use OA$FORM_DISPOSE in the belief that it has gone. Is this really the case ? The symbol has been documented since at least 2.3 days and still is so I would have thought this may effect a number of customers. It is not acceptable to remove functionality that is still documented. Thanks Clive
1203.4	Looks like an opportunity	MDCRAB::HOWARD	Our business is computers not money	`Tue Aug 11 1992 16:54`	8
	You're right. It seems to work under V2.4, but not under V3.0. I assume he was checking the DCL symbol OA$TERMINATOR in the subprocess rather than going back to ALL-IN-1 to read $OA$TERMINATOR. The latter is much slower since permanent symbols are stored in a file. I would guess that an SPR is in order. This kind thing seems to happen with every new version, unfortunately. Ben
1203.5	ALL-IN-1 or WPS-PLUS?	SHALOT::NICODEM	Avoid traffic; leave work at noon	`Wed Aug 12 1992 15:01`	9
	Are they using WPS-PLUS? This may be a change in how WPS-PLUS is now handling Gold-K... $OA$TERMINATOR was simply a symbol in the user's permanent symbol table that was used to reflect the terminator value that was also stored in the DCL symbol TERMINATOR in the subprocess. While I realize that we are attempting to encourage alternatives to the subprocess, and to slower storage such as the permanent symbol table, I would agree that this seems to be an over- sight if, indeed, it is no longer working as before. F
1203.6	SPR/CLD?	COMICS::BARHAM	Norbert:	`Wed Aug 12 1992 16:23`	11
	Well it's WPS-PLUS within ALL-IN-1 3.0 and it is the symbol $OA$TERMINATOR they're trying to read. Would I be wasting my time raising a high level SPR/CLD 'coz that's what they want ? Can anyone give me a good sales pitch to get them off using $OA$TERMINATOR ? I've tried to tell them it's slower and to use OA$FORM_DISPOSE but they weren't impressed! Thanks Clive
1203.7	Another reason	IOSG::NEWLAND	Richard Newland, IOSG, REO1-D/4A	`Wed Aug 12 1992 17:46`	15
	I looked at a system running ALL-IN-1 V2.4 and WPS-PLUS V4.0 and that does not set $OA$TERMINATOR. WPS-PLUS/VMS V4.1 also does not set $OA$TERMINATOR. There is no code in ALL-IN-1, including the EDIT function which is called to invoke the WPS-PLUS editor, which assigns a value to a symbol called $OA$TERMINATOR. Therefore, as you have found, it appears to have been set by the WPS-PLUS code, but only in V3.1 and earlier versions. Another reason for using OA$FORM_DISPOSE is that any script code using $OA$TERMINATOR is dependent on WPS-PLUS being used, and may not work correctly if another editor is used. Richard