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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

1196.0. "Process hangs when printing from index" by SWETSC::WESTERBACK (Mimsy were the borogroves) Thu Aug 06 1992 15:33

    ALL-IN-1 2.4
    
    A customer reports that a few users get the following problem:
    
    From WP they choose Index, select a document and Print. The
    document prints OK, but the process hangs, so they can't get
    out of the index. Since CTR-Y is disabled, the system manager
    has to kill the process.
    
    This happens to some users intermittently, can't be reproduced
    at will. Any ideas what could cause this?
    
    Thanks,
    Hans Westerback
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1196.1More information...IOSG::NEWLANDRichard Newland, IOSG, REO1-D/4AThu Aug 06 1992 15:3712
1.  What type of documents are being printed (e.g ASCII, WPS-PLUS, etc.)?
    Does the problem only occur with some types of documents?

2.  What printer destination is being used?

3.  Is foreground or background formatting being used?

4.  Are the print or formatter jobs being created?  It could be hanging
    in the Queue Manager during the creation of the job.


Richard.
1196.2customized print option?SKNNER::SKINNERI'm doing my EARSThu Aug 06 1992 16:1915
Is there any possibility that the user is actually using XP (multiple print)?
If so, I have seen a case where a customization to XP caused the logic's RFA
symbol to be cleared WITHIN the loop instead of once BEFORE the loop.  This
caused the same RFA to be selected over and over.  But the user would have
probably seen the same document keep printing, so that's probably not it.

But just in case it is a customization, does ALLIN1/NOCUSTOM make Print from
the index behave?

You should be able to see the condition causing the loop if you turn on script
and symbol tracing to the terminal for the problem users.  Turn on the trace
after the user is on the index form and have "selected" the document to limit
the trace to only the Print code.

/Marty
1196.3More infoSWETSC::WESTERBACKMimsy were the borogrovesFri Aug 07 1992 10:1318
    More info from customer:
    
    This occurs when printing regular WPS-PLUS documents, using
    printer type LN03, background formatting. The job is printed, so
    it seems it does not hang in the queue manager? Or could it
    hang there even if it is printed?
    
    They have very few customizations, but the problem with testing
    ALLIN1/NOCUSTOM or trace is that this happens very irregularly.
    Sometimes a month passes when all is OK, then it shows up again.
    
    It seems they have had this problem since upgrading to 2.4.
    
    Difficult to troubleshoot, it seems. Is there anything we could
    tell them to check the next time this occurs?
    
    Thanks,
    Hans
1196.4Probably not Queue ManagerIOSG::NEWLANDRichard Newland, IOSG, REO1-D/4AFri Aug 07 1992 11:0018
If the print job completes normally then the problem is unlikely to be with
the queue manager. 

It may be useful to find out where the process which is running ALL-IN-1 is 
hanging.  Do the following when the problem occurs.

    1.  From another terminal on the same node find out the process id of
	the hung process.

    2.  Do a $SHOW PROCESS/CONT/ID=<id>

    3.  Note the State and Current PC.

    4.  Use the PC and a Link map of OA$MAIN to determine where the process
	is hanging.


Richard
1196.5Politically Correct?SWETSC::WESTERBACKMimsy were the borogrovesFri Aug 07 1992 14:158
    Thanks Richard,
    
    I will convey this to the customer. Just a question, as I'm not very
    familiar with link maps and PC: Do they have to have a link map from
    the previous link, or can they relink after this error occurs to get
    the map? Or does this give different PC's? (What does PC mean BTW?)
    
    Hans
1196.6Ideologically sound?IOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer&#039;s ApprenticeFri Aug 07 1992 14:2010
    As long as they haven't done anything that might have chnaged the link,
    like adding modules into SITELINK or changing VMS versions or other
    layered products, then it should be OK. It would be preferable to get
    the numbers again after getting the map (and using the newly linked
    image of course!)
    
    PC = Program Counter i.e. whereabouts in the code the CPU is currently
    pointing when it hangs/loops.
    
    Graham