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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

1090.0. "How many 3.0 upgrades out there?" by ESOA11::ORR () Tue Jul 21 1992 16:11

    A customer just called asking how many customers have upgraded to
    ALL-IN-1 3.0.  (Of course they need the information immediatly for
    a meeting they are about to have with their senior management).  Does
    anyone know this of hand?  I've got a call into the Product Manager
    also, any other ideas on who I should contact??
    
    Thanks!
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1090.1IOSG::WDAVIESThere can only be one ALL-IN-1 MailTue Jul 21 1992 16:143
    The Atlanta CSC ?
    
    Winton
1090.2they don't know eitherESOA11::ORRTue Jul 21 1992 16:172
    Good thought, unforturnatly the customer already tried them before they 
    called here...
1090.3Some guesses...IOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's ApprenticeTue Jul 21 1992 17:4222
    How accurate does this need to be?
    
    A large (probably more than 100) number of internal sites have been
    using it for some months, perhaps nearly a year now.
    
    A smaller number of external customers (more than 10 less than 100)
    used it for several months during field test.
    
    I believe that a number (probably 100s) of customers have now upgraded
    with the SSB kit. Certainly "shows of hands" at US DECUS indicated it
    was widely deployed. It's possible that a number may still only be in
    evaluation rather than live mode. 
    
    Does that help?
    
    I'm not sure how we find out exactly, since we normally don't hear
    about the ones that work, and (without wishing to appear big-headed)
    most people seem to think that there aren't many problems upgrading to
    V3.0 (which I guess is why you want to know all this anyway :-) ) so we
    haven't heard much.
    
    Graham
1090.4Asking the wrong question?WARLRD::WICKS_ADEC Mail Works for ME sometimesTue Jul 21 1992 18:2527
    Graham's answer was the one your customer should be interested about
    in that it doesn't really matter whether 100 or 1000 customers have
    upgraded successfully it matters whether your customer is in a position
    to upgrade successfully - there is a distinction.
    
    The number of customers who have been able to upgrade successfully is
    not constrained by the quality of v3.0 (which is a lot better than
    v2.3) but by the availability of layered products that run on it. If
    your customer has WPCORP, LOTUS 1-2-3 etc then they are not today in
    a position to upgrade. If the customer is in the U.S and they have 
    any ASSETS packages then they are also limited by the non-availability
    of any sort of ASSETS program.
    
    I also don't think it is the Atlanta CSCs job to give out information
    such as percentage of customers at a specific version. Certainly today
    that would give out a misleading message as I explained in the previous
    paragraph.
    
    Why not call back in, or reply here and tell us what your customer
    has integrated with ALL-IN-1 and we should be able to help them get
    to v3.0 as soon as possible and as successfully as possible after
    all that's what I;'m told we're paid for.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks (Atlanta CSC)
              
1090.5Hard to say...SHALOT::NICODEMAvoid traffic; leave work at noonMon Jul 27 1992 19:0516
	I would guess that you are looking for the number of sites which have
performed the upgrade in a "live" environment, and are now using it in some kind
of production mode.  And there's the problem.  While you may be able to discover
the number of licenses sold, or systems shipped to date, or any number of other
random figures, it's going to be very difficult to determine how many of those
have received their update and it's still on the shelf, how many have received
it and are "testing" it with a small group of users, how many have actually
put their users on it but perhaps without extensive customizations, or how many
have "totally" upgrade their customized V2.4 systems to a tailored working
environment.

	Maybe it would be better to determine just what it is that your customer
wishes to know -- i.e., is it a "confidence level", or specific names and
references?

	F