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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

824.0. "Merging ALL-IN-1 clusters." by UTROP2::BEHARI_A (Ajay Behari @UTO) Sat Jun 06 1992 10:06

    I am involved in merging a small (�300 A/C's) ALL-IN-1 cluster
    with a big (�900 A/C's) ALL-IN-1 cluster & am looking for
    answers to the following questions :-
    
    1. Is there a tool that helps in bulk transfers of ALL-IN-1
       accounts, say in batches of 30-40 accounts.
    
    2. What happens to the transferred documents on the target
       ALL-IN-1 cluster ?
       Are they still shared or they end up as documents with single
       ownership ?
    
    3. How to increase the number of disks that is provided in account
       creation templates ? Presently, restricted to 3 only. Can this
       be customised ?
    
    4. Why is the total number of SDAF's restricted to 5 ?
       Can this be increased ?
    
    We would like to complete the merge in max. 4 weeks. Any help/advise
    is highly appreciated.
    
    Ajay.
    
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824.1Well, don't use TU...IOSG::TALLETTArranging bits for a living...Mon Jun 08 1992 16:1942
    Hi there!
    
>    1. Is there a tool that helps in bulk transfers of ALL-IN-1
>       accounts, say in batches of 30-40 accounts.
    
    	No, not really. Transfer User is not really suited to this
    	kind of operation. If you have knowledge of ALL-IN-1 file
    	structures, you could probably do the merge "by hand" with
    	disk copies and creating new shared areas/users etc.
    
>    2. What happens to the transferred documents on the target
>       ALL-IN-1 cluster ?
>       Are they still shared or they end up as documents with single
>       ownership ?
    
    	The transferred documents end up in the shared areas but with
    	one copy per user transferred.
    
>    3. How to increase the number of disks that is provided in account
>       creation templates ? Presently, restricted to 3 only. Can this
>       be customised ?
>    
    
    	Yes, don't see why not. You'd have to modify the code that reads
    	the template too of course.
    
    	Care to comment Dave (T)?
    
>    4. Why is the total number of SDAF's restricted to 5 ?
>       Can this be increased ?
>
    
    	See a previous note on this one.
        
>    We would like to complete the merge in max. 4 weeks. Any help/advise
>    is highly appreciated.
    
    	It might take 4 weeks for the transfer user routine to run on
    	300 users... :-) Sorry, couldn't resist!
    
    Regards,
    Paul
824.2Use DCL . . .IOSG::SHOVEDave Shove -- REO-D/3CMon Jun 08 1992 18:377
    This can be done by copying and merging the appropriate files with DCL
    utilities. I have a feeling that someone once wrote a step-by-step
    procedure for it - it may be in one of the old versions of this
    conference. Or someone with a better memory than mine will tell you
    where to find it.
    
    Dave.
824.3If you can't find the proc mentioned in .2 ...UTRTSC::BOSMANWe're just sugar mice in the rainTue Jun 09 1992 08:0314
    Hi,
    
    Once I wrote a procedure to copy x ALL-IN-1 accounts, where x is as
    large as you want. Also the UAF record and the ALL-IN-1 profile are
    copied. It as based on standard DCL (BACKUP etc.).
    
    (Ofcourse) there ara a few restrictions:
    1) Archived documents are not handled correctly.
    2) The user must have read all the new mail messages.
    
    I'm not sure about the NETWORK record, and have to check on that one (I
    don't have the procedure on line).
    
    Regards, Sjaak.
824.5DAF limit discussed in 766.* in ABBOTT::A1INFOIOSG::TALLETTArranging bits for a living...Tue Jun 09 1992 19:231
    
824.8Don't really need A1INFO membership (for SDAF Qn)IOSG::SHOVEDave Shove -- REO-D/3CWed Jun 10 1992 14:1411
    However, the answer in A1INFO wasn't especially secret.
    
    Basically, it's "NO" (The number of SDAFs can't be increased). It's
    firmly embedded in the Bliss code, and would have to be changed in a
    good few places.
    
    The reason was, as usual, a compromise. Each SDAF stream uses up a fair
    amount of buffer space in the image - 5 was chosen as the largest
    number without this space getting excessive.
    
    Dave.
824.9Not good enoughUTROP2::BEHARI_AAjay Behari @UTOThu Jun 11 1992 15:1917
    >Basically, it's "NO" (The number of SDAFs can't be increased). It's
    >firmly embedded in the Bliss code, and would have to be changed in a
    >good few places.
    
    Does it mean we sell "NO" to customers because it's hardcoded in our
    software ?
    
    Can it be regarded as a 'wish-item' for a future release or a patch ?
    
    The question is not new (having read the note in A1INFO) & is bound to
    come back.
    
    However you look at it, it is considered a limitation - & maybe
    frustrating for customers who have enough disks to spread the SDAF's
    around & keep them small as well.
    
    Ajay.

824.10Sorry - I think I was misunderstoodIOSG::SHOVEDave Shove -- REO-D/3CThu Jun 11 1992 18:2518
    When I said "NO it can't be increased" I meant it can't be increased by
    anything that _you_ can do, on site, without sources.
    
    Of course _we_ can increase it, as part of our development cycle. After
    all, we increased it originally (from 1 to 5).
    
    As you say, several people have said that it might be useful to allow
    it to be further increased, so we should look at doing this as an
    enhancement. We'd need to make the limit adjustable (probably by a
    re-link, as it invoves setting up _lots_ of data structures), so sites
    that didn't need lots of SDAFs wouldn't get lumbered with all the data
    structures.
    
    As usual, although we do trawl these notes files for "wish list" items,
    you should mention it to our Product Manager if you want to be sure
    that it gets on the list for a Possible Future Release.
    
    Dave.
824.11Chapter 3 of ATOSIOG::T_REDMONDThoughts of an Idle MindTue Jun 16 1992 19:208
    There is a step-by-step section on how to merge ALL-IN-1 systems
    together to form a cluster in "ALL-IN-1: A Technical Odyssey". This
    advice is OK for V2.3 or V2.4, but needs to be updated for V3.0 as
    items like the PARTITION and FILECAB need to considered now. So far I
    haven't had the chance to merge systems under V3.0 so I haven't done
    any work to update the steps.
    
    Tony