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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

820.0. "Recurring problem, "OA$DDS_PRIME = 2"" by EWBV51::NAGURA (Yukiji Nagura /ALL-IN-1 CSC/Tokyo/Japan) Fri Jun 05 1992 13:58

	I'm confusing about a very old and famous problem.
      It's an OA$DDS_PRIME = 2.

	My customer have complaints about receiving his own reply message
      when answering to all recipients. The scenario is as below.

	1) The sender on NODEA specifies "Receiver @A1 @NODEA" fetched from
      DDS database because OA$DDS_PRIME equals 2 although the receiver exists
      on the same node.

	2) When the receiver is answering that message, he himself is included
      on EM header.

	I have two SEDAN articles related to the above symptom.
      Those titles are,
	"Answering An EM Message Causes Sender To Receive A Message Back" and
        "With DDS PRIME, Address Returned Not Consistent In Scrolled TO/CC 
	Field".

        The article saids 2) is a normal behavior of ALL-IN-1 V2.3,V2.4,V3.0.
      I can accept it because ALL-IN-1 can't know "REMOTE" addresse is the same
      person.

        Also I can understand a local addressee is displayed in a complete 
      format on DDS PRIME system. *BUT* when entering "NAGURA" (my Surname)
      followed with {CR} on TO/CC field, the result differs.

	1. ALL-IN-1 V2.3, OA$DDS_PRIME = 1 or 2, World Search Node returns 
		TO: Yukiji Nagura 		( NAGURA )

        2. ALL-IN-1 V2.4, OA$DDS_PRIME = 1, World Search Node returns
		TO: Yukiji Nagura               ( NAGURA )

        3. ALL-IN-1 V2.4, OA$DDS_PRIME = 2, World Search Node returns
		TO: Yukiji Nagura               ( NAGURA@A1@LocalNode )

        4. ALL-IN-1 V2.4, OA$DDS_PRIME = 2, Non World Search Node returns
	  on ONLY against FIRST TO: or CC: line  
		TO: Yukiji Nagura               ( NAGURA@A1@LocalNode )
          on the other lines
		TO: Yukiji Nagura               ( NAGURA )

        5. ALL-IN-1 V3.0, OA$DDS_PRIME = 1 or 2, World Search Node returns
		TO: Yukiji Nagura               ( NAGURA )


	Only CASE 4. agrees with the refered SEDAN article.
	Are they intended features ? Only a restriction of V2.4 ?

	Regards,				    ???	Yukiji ???
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820.1It's more of a Mail Addressing conundrumAIMTEC::WICKS_ALiverpool win the F.A Cup again!Mon Jun 08 1992 20:5827
    Yukiji,
    
    I think you're getting confused amongst a number of things and then
    trying to glue them altogether and then make sense of them - you can't
    unfortunately apply such logic to the mail subsystem.
    
    So let's try and seprate them.
    1) Answer to ALL will ALWAYS send you a copy if it can't find you on
       the distribution-list EXACTLY. This doesn't real tie into any
       behavious of DDS because you can see the same under many many
       different conditions such as use of MTS addressing, entries in
       NETWORK.DAT etc...
    2) the return of a remote address from DDS when it should be local is
       I thought an Introduced Bug in v2.3 (i'm sure it worked fine in v2.3)
       and happened whether you were a world-search node or not.
    3) the behaviour with different addresses being returned depends on
       whether or not you doing a directed serach (SMD or SOM) or a
       non-directed search (just off the mail header)
    
    So you really are going to get confused if you try and think about all
    3 at a time - which one is the real problem? If it's just Answer then
    it looks as if you've already figured it out.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks 
    
820.2How about in V3.0 ?EWBV51::NAGURAYukiji Nagura /ALL-IN-1 CSC/Tokyo/JapanTue Jun 09 1992 03:0816
	Thanks, Andrew. I know it's a mixed-up problem, but unless
      the returned address is remote, he won't have his own answer message.
 
>        3. ALL-IN-1 V2.4, OA$DDS_PRIME = 2, World Search Node returns
>		TO: Yukiji Nagura               ( NAGURA@A1@LocalNode )

	Further investigation has revealed this wasn't true. My subscriber
      entry has a different reverse lookup routing address from the value 
      of OA$GT_AREA_ROUTE. So it doesn't matter whether the node is
      world search or not.

	So all I want to know is just one thing. The result is different 
      only on the first lines of TOs and CCs. It has a routing information.
      Is this fixed in V3.0 ?
           					Yukiji
820.3Can someone check?AIMTEC::WICKS_ALiverpool win the F.A Cup again!Tue Jun 09 1992 18:008
    Yukiji,
    
    I don't know whether it's fixed in v3.0 - maybe someone with the
    necessary setup can test that one for you.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
820.4Design issueUTRTSC::SCHOLLAERTSweden, here we comeWed Jun 10 1992 09:0754
    
    Andrew, Yukiji,
    
    I don't think its fixed. Its not a bug, its a design issue.....
    See note 2644 in the 2.4 conference.
    When ALL-IN-1 gets real X400, problem might be gone.
    
    A customer of mine uses the following script to avoid the problem.
    Its not fool-/full-proof but it catches all "user at a1 at node"
    addressing.
    
    Good luck,
    
    Jan
    
    !+
! file		: remove_user_from_cc_list.scp
! created 	: 6 feb 1992
! author  	: Jan Schollaert
!-
!+
! Get remote address of local user
!-
     GET #USER = OA$USER "@" LOG$OA$MTI_MAILBX "@" LOG$OA$MTI_MR_NODE
!+
! Remove user from CC list
!-
     FOR CAB$ATTRIBUTES:"CC" WITH .VALUE <=> #USER DO -
     CAB DELETE_ATTRIBUTE OA$CURMES, "CC", .VALUE

    .EXIT
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820.5Another problemEWBV51::NAGURAYukiji Nagura /ALL-IN-1 CSC/Tokyo/JapanThu Jun 11 1992 03:318
	Jan, your solution is good, but it deals with another issue.
      My concern is not that, but inconsistent result from address 
      validation on TO: and CC:.

	Anyway, thanks for your reply.

						Yukiji