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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

712.0. "RAD Strange Behaviour" by AIMTEC::GRENIER_J () Tue May 19 1992 15:54

    Customer claims that when users do an RAD (restore archive document),
    that sometimes the pointer is deleted in the ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS folder,
    and sometimes it isn't.  More often it is.  Customer is running V2.4
    of ALL-IN-1.
    
    Has anyone heard of this - know of any reasons why this would happen.
    I've search our STARS database as well as the old notes conference
    and this one with no luck.
    
    Any help would be appreciated.
    
    Jean
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712.1The way it worksIOSG::MAURICEA few follicles shortTue May 19 1992 16:1817
    Hi,
    
    When a document is archived the original entry is left and a crossfile
    created in the ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS folder. If the user then does an RAD
    the document is restored in the original folder and the entry in
    ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS is deleted.
    
    However if the user has deleted the entry in the original folder (and
    emptied the wastebasket) before doing the RAD then there is now only
    one entry for the document and that is in ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS. The RAD
    will then restore it and leave the entry in ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS. (It
    would probably be better if it prompted the user for another folder in
    this case)
    
    Cheers
    
    Stuart
712.2RAD strange behaviourAIMTEC::GRENIER_JTue May 19 1992 18:0810
    Thanks Stuart, but customer claims that it is in the original folder
    as well as the ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS folder.  He can read it from either
    place and its status is no longer archived.  Does not happen often -
    just once in awhile.  I also asked if the document was cross-filed to
    another folder - he said no...  I'm confused, and it cannot be
    reproduced at will so it makes this one hard.  I was hoping this
    happened to someone else and they could give me an explanation which
    I could give to the customer.
    
    Jean
712.3IOSG::MAURICEA few follicles shortWed May 20 1992 11:017
    With no way of knowing my guess would be that the customer has fallen
    foul of ALL-IN-1's dirtiest trick - that FM (file message) does a
    crossfile rather than a refile. 
    
    Cheers
    
    Stuart
712.4More history (thank you, DECmail)IOSG::SHOVEDave Shove -- REO-D/3CWed May 20 1992 14:117
    RE: .3
    
    I regret to say that the way FM works is yet another crazy thing that
    we were forced to do (back in v2.0 days) in the name of "compatibility
    with DECmail" !
    
    D.
712.5rad strange behaviourAIMTEC::GRENIER_JWed May 20 1992 19:1420
    Thanks for the input - but customer is still not happy.  Here is his
    scenario.
    
    Created a document in a folder - did an ADN - about 1 week later did
    an RAD.  The document was retrieved, but the pointer was not deleted
    from the ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS folder.  The status was changed, customer
    could read document from either folder (original or ARCHIVED).  The
    archive area has never been moved off line.
    
    Next created a document in a folder - did an ADN - once he saw the
    pointer in the ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS folder - he did an RAD.  The
    document was retrieved - pointer deleted in the ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS
    folder.
    
    To make matters worse, this is not always the scenario.  Sometimes
    the pointers do get deleted correctly.
    
    Please help????
    
    Jean
712.6IOSG::MAURICEA few follicles shortThu May 21 1992 10:1712
    I can't reproduce this problem on our V3.0 system. What version of
    ALL-IN-1 is your customer running and to what patch level? 
    
    Here's a WAG - after the ADN there are two crossfiles, one in ARCHIVED
    DOCUMENTS and one in the original folder. Does it make a difference if
    the user typed RAD when pointing to the entry in ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS or
    when pointing to the original document? Does it make a difference if
    after the ADN the user refiles the original document to another folder?
    
    Cheers
    
    Stuart
712.7still confusedAIMTEC::GRENIER_JThu May 21 1992 20:0317
    Stuart - don't feel bad, I can't reproduce the problem - nor can the
    customer "at will".
    
    He is running V2.4 and is patched thru K604.  When the document is
    ADN - and left in the archived area on-line for a couple of days -
    they do a RAD from the original folder, the ARCHIVED DOCUMENTS folder
    pointer is deleted.  However, if they do the RAD from the ARCHIVED 
    DOCUMENTS folder the pointer is NOT deleted.  AND if they do an ADN 
    then immediately do RAD from either folder, all pointers are deleted.
    
    I am so confused.....   He is going to try and do a refile to a new
    folder and see what happens.  
    
    Thanks for your help
    
    Jean
    
712.8Known bug in V2.4IOSG::BENOYIn a state of fluxTue May 26 1992 16:3522
    
    This sounds like a known bug with the restore_document function that is
    called by RAD. If you refile the original archive reference, because of
    the way in which the restore code works it will fail to delete the
    archived documents reference when it loops through all the document
    crossfile references.
    
    Workrounds
    
    1) manually delete the archived documents reference
    2) don't refile the original archived document reference
    
    Note this is a known bug in V2.4 and as far as I know there is no K patch
    for this.
    
    It is fixed in V3.0
    
    Hope this helps
    
    -Paul