Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

This is getting quite urgent now, as the installation is scheduled for next week
(we are getting temporary PAKs just in case).

Surely someone out there has only installed ALL-IN-1 on a single node in a
cluster (its cheaper!).

The PAK for Message Router is included in ALL-IN-1, so it can only be used on
that same node.

DDS *must run* on all nodes in a cluster, and the customer *needs* DDS, but
how do we provide a licence on the other nodes? The problem is due to a
limitation of DDS, so why should the customer pay another $20,000 for the
privilege of having a working system (its a BIG cluster!).

Any ideas, legal positions, technical fixes, suggestions would be much
appreciated!

cheers,

Martin

    I was hoping our licensing expert would have replied by now, but he's
    obviously feeling shy at the moment...
    
    I expect that the Galactically powerful licences we install if you take
    the installation's Register Licences option will work on all nodes in
    the cluster, as we put the same licence up everywhere, once we've
    established that you have got the ALL-IN-1 licence installed.
    
    Of course, since this is ALL-IN-1 you'll want to try it won't you.
    
    Graham
    
    PS It seems to me that, from a business point of view, if they're using
    DDS across the cluster for other reasons, then they should be paying us
    for a cluster wide DDS licence anyway. Although the PAK we provide form
    ALL-IN-1's installation will work, the business situation is that the
    purchase of the single node ALL-IN-1 licence only entitles them to
    "free" use of MR on that node. I think....

    
    	Hmmm. Yes, I would expect it to work too. So the technical answer
    	is that the license will load on all nodes in the cluster. Your
    	underlying problem is really a business issue, about which I know
    	nothing. It would seem to me that if you need the PAK on all nodes
    	in the cluster for technical reasons, (but I don't know about DDS
    	so I wouldn't know why that would be needed) then as long as you don't
    	use it on those nodes, then I don't see why you should pay for it.
    	But then the legal eagles might see it differently.
    
    Regards,
    Paul

Graham and Paul,

thanks for the information. If the licences installed by VMSINSTAL operate
clusterwide (and if they are effectively unlimited clusterwide points) then
i reckon that all should be ok, both from a technical and legal standpoint.
They would have been installed in the "proper manner", with ALL-IN-1 only
existing on the node licenced for ALL-IN-1.

The customer only wants to run ALL-IN-1 on a single node in the cluster to
keep it "contained", as we all know that ALL-IN-1 use expands to 10% more than
whatever you have in CPU (because it becomes popular) :-)

They want to use DDS for their network mail directory, initially just for
ALL-IN-1 but eventually for X.400 gateways, DEC MAILworks etc, but the DDS
SPD specifically states that it must run across the whole cluster. The customer
would rather that didn't happen, but doesn't have any choice. They won't get
any extra business benefit out of it, indeed it will negatively impact their
existing machines and applications.

So for now, i reckon that we will go ahead with loading the licences with
VMSINSTAL, and if that fails, load temporary PAKs and go into panic mode again!

Thanks again,

cheers,

mb

    Martin,
    
    Perhaps the MAILBUS conference is a better place to discuss this topic.
    
    Overthere you will see that Message Router 3.2 does not need a PAK (just
    DECnet) and that it is possible to run DDS on a number of
    nodes in a cluster (look for topics about "alias").
    
    Jan
    
    

Jan,

i tried the MAILbus conference, and note 3263.* does cover the licencing issue,
however, i would regard the issue as an ALL-IN-1 one, because it is the packaging
of the ALL-IN-1 software that possibly leaves you unlicenced on other required
nodes in the cluster.

I will insert a note about the awkwardness of DDS, having to run on all nodes
in the cluster though!

Cheers,

mb

Well the saga continues ...

The licence installed by ALL-IN-1 is indeed an "infinite points" one, so there
is no technical reason why the Message Router licence cannot be loaded on all
node in the cluster.

We _have_ to run Message Router on all nodes in the cluster because we want to
run DDS and that _must_ run clusterwide.

Unfortunately we checked with UK product management and it seems that from a
legal standpoint we are NOT entitled to run Message Router on any node apart
from the one on which ALL-IN-1 is installed.

* Flame on !

This is a totally ridiculous situation. The SPD for ALL-IN-1 v2.4 states that
"With the installation of Distributed Directory Service, ALL-IN-1 provides the
user with the ability to perform mail directory searches on defined criteria
such as name, department, location, and organisation."

This is not possible when ALL-IN-1 is installed on one node in a cluster, and
thus ALL-IN-1 does not conform to its SPD (and neither does v3.0).

What is even more pathetic is the fact that the customer has spent over
ninety thousand pounds on an ALL-IN-1 licence and can cannot use DDS properly,
and yet if he spent three hundred and seventy five pounds for a single user
personal licence, he could legally run Message Router and DDS (and ALL-IN-1)
anywhere on the cluster just for that one account!!!!!!

* Flame off

Maybe we will just buy a single user licence and not bother loading it, but the
paperwork will legally entitle us to run clusterwide.

mb