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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:	OLD ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:	Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:	IOSG::PYE

Created:	Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:	Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	4343
Total number of notes:	18308

652.0. "Receipts in mixed word-processing environment" by BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL (Martin Bell, TCC, Birmingham UK) Fri May 08 1992 10:51

We have a customer using WordPerfect as the word processor within ALL-IN-1 on
one of their nodes, but WPS-PLUS on the remainder of the network.

When sending messages between nodes, a WPS-PLUS document can be read anywhere,
but a WordPerfect document can only be read on a node with WordPerfect
installed. Thus the customer routes messages FROM the WordPerfect node through
a MR gateway @WPC, supplied by WPCORP, which performs a translation to DX format
automatically. As this WPC gateway only exists on the WordPerfect node, dummy
@WPC gateways (with /replace="") are included on the WPS-PLUS nodes, so that
return addresses work ok when answering a message.

Unfortunately, when sending messages from a WPS-PLUS node, message router tries
to be clever and does not bother including the @WPC in the return address
(because we said /replace=""), so if a WordPerfect user ANSWERs a message, it
does not go through the WPC gateway, and is sent in WordPerfect format.

Now the WordPerfect integration includes a script to insert in the ANSWER named
data to automatically include the WPC gateway and thus provide the translation
- this works ok (although isn't the most efficient bit of scripting).

So everything is fine so far, BUT!

Unfortunately, if a WPS-PLUS user requests a READ-RECEIPT from a WordPerfect
user, the message is constructed in WordPerfect format, and the return address
does not include the WPC gateway. The generation of the RR message is performed
from within the MAIL READ code, thus we cannot use the above WordPerfect script
to modify the return address.

Is it possible to modify the read-receipt code to produce the message in
WPS-PLUS (or even ASCII) rather than the users default editor?


The only other option would be to install the WPC Message Router gateway on
all nodes in the network, but this will depend on how WPCORP want to licence
that component of their product.

Any ideas would be much appreciated,

cheers,

Martin

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
652.1	V3.0 issues ASCII Read Receipts	IOSG::SHOVE	Dave Shove -- REO-D/3C	`Fri May 08 1992 15:13`	9
	The simplest solution is to upgrade to version 3.0 ! In v3.0 (for other reasons than this) Read Receipts are forced to ASCII. This change was made in code; it would be pretty difficult (but, this being ALL-IN-1, probably not impossible) to do this as a customisation. Dave.
652.2	Can be done via script and boilerplate	SHALOT::WARFORD	Richard Warford @OPA DTN 393-7495	`Fri May 08 1992 23:10`	17
	I worked out a solution to this for GLAXO about 2 years ago, and had it in a DECUS presentation. BUT unfortunately I don't remeber the details. All it took was a little bit of script code tied via a boilerplate (and a few tricks in the script code!). If I remeber right, it would during the creation of the read-reciept, delete the document being created automatically, and force the creation of a new document in ASCII form. The document was left open in mail so that upon return from the merge being done in Bliss code, the Bliss thought the new message was the one it had started with. You might look in the DECUS directories on SHALOT::TRANS$:[TRANSFER.DECUS] to see if you can find a tips and techniques type session notes and look in them to try and find the code. (I'm out of town right now or would do it for you). Rick
652.3	ALL-IN-1 can do _anything_	BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL	Martin Bell, TCC, Birmingham UK	`Mon May 11 1992 10:53`	19
	Rick, thanks for the pointer. Editing the boilerplate is a possibility, and i will try to get in touch with Bruce Mason who has had quite a bit to do with Glaxo. I tried looking through the DECUS directories, but couldn't find anything too obvious (via SEARCH). If i draw blanks i suppose i will have to copy all the presentations over and have a long read! Dave, we would _love_ to go to ALL-IN-1 v3.0, but we gotta wait for WPCORP to bring out the compatible version of WordPerfect :-( Cheers, Martin
652.4	Ask for Vid Desai at Glaxo	SHALOT::WARFORD	Richard Warford @OPA DTN 393-7495	`Tue May 12 1992 02:46`	5
	Actually, its a former DECie at GLAXO that I did this for. Just ask for the "mexican" - Vid Desai! Since they are supposed to be running with it, they certainly should have a copy around. Rick
652.5	What Rick presented two years ago	SHALOT::DUNCAN	Joe - CIS/EIC Doc. Mgmt. Solution Set Consultant	`Tue May 12 1992 16:02`	27
	Here is the extract from Rick's presentation from the Spring 1990 DECUS symposium (this is obviously some boilerplate text, and an associated menu option): <&OA GET #OLD_DOC=OA$CURMES<-> \MAIL PUSH\MAIL ORIGINAL<-> \GET #TITLE="Read Receipt for " <-> CAB$.TITLE[OA$CURMES]<-> \GET #DOC = OA$CURMES\MAIL POP> <&OA GET #X = OA$CURMES_FILE:H<-> \GET_TOKEN #X,#X,"."\GET #X = #X::H ".WPL"> <&OA GET OA$FUNCTION=<-> "MERGE OA$BLP:RRTEMPLAT.BLP," #X> <&OA MAIL GET #DOC<-> \GET OA$FUNCTION=<-> "MAIL ANSWER/NOEDIT/NOALL/NOSEND/FNAME=" #X> <&OA CABINET DELETE_OR_REFILE ,"OUTBOX"> <&OA WRITE CHANGE CAB$ %KEY=OA$CURDOC,TITLE=#TITLE,<-> SUBJECT=#TITLE,MAIL_STATUS="SENT"> <&OA GET OA$MENU_REMAINDER=<-> "RRDELETE " OA$MENU_REMAINDER> ;;RRDELETE;; CABINET DELETE_DOCUMENT #OLD_DOC
652.6		BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL	Martin Bell, TCC, Birmingham UK	`Wed May 13 1992 10:35`	11
	Joe, thanks for the code. It looks like the customer is prepared to wait for v3.0 as WordPerfect doesn't seem to be too far away now. Nevertheless, i will salt away the code segment in my "clever tricks" folder, you never know when this sort of thing will pop up again. Cheers, mb