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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

631.0. "what are "Placed" files" by AIMTEC::GRENIER_J () Tue May 05 1992 21:22

    Customer is running a disk defragmenter.  Wants to know "why" ALL-IN-1
    files (docdb.dat, daf.dat, etc.) are "PLACED" files? 
    
    After moving placed files, gets verification errors when doing
    incremental backups.  The blocks are beyond the area where the
    data actually is.
    
    Can anyone help????
    
    
    Thanks
    
    Jean
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631.1GIDDAY::SETHIMan from DownunderWed May 06 1992 01:105
    G'day,
    
    What disk defragmenter is the customer using ?
    
    Sunil
631.2not sure - will check29087::GRENIER_JWed May 06 1992 02:455
    Not sure of the exact name, it is a third party defragmenter.  I
    will check with customer.  I had him dictate exactly what his
    question was - I have no idea what a "placed" file is.....
    
    Jean
631.3Placed files are ....GIDDAY::SETHIMan from DownunderWed May 06 1992 03:4226
    Jean,
    
    Okay I have used RABBIT7 a defragmentor written by Software
    Inteligence and found it very good.
    
    Now "PLACED" files from as I can remember are those files that are most
    frequently used.  How RABBIT7 worked was to place the least used files
    at the back of the disk (ie near the spindle) known as "WAREHOUSE"
    files.  To optimize disk access of the most frequentialy used files
    they were placed in the or near the middle of the disk, thus reducing
    seek time for these files "PLACED" I guess that's what his defragmentor
    is refering to.
    
    ALL-IN-1 does not from what I know optimize file access or defragment
    disks.   The problem he is having MAY HAVE been caused by the
    defragmentor (I am sure it is BUT I don't want the customer to say
    Digital said so), he should read his documentation and see what
    recovery procedures are provided by the defragmentor or ask the
    distributor for help.  The above problem does not look good to me.
    
    By the way between the two of us and the door RABBIT7 is one of the
    best defragmentors and have quite good support.
    
    Good luck
    
    Sunil
631.4DISK KEEPER is the defragmentorAIMTEC::GRENIER_JWed May 06 1992 19:254
    Sunil, thanks for your help.  I called customer - they are using
    DISK KEEPER, and he just "knows" that is not placing his files...
    
    Jean
631.5"PLACED" is no problemKAOFS::D_STREETThu May 07 1992 20:4411
    Hi,
    	 I used to do customer support for SQUEEZPAK, another defragmentor,
    	and any file we moved had "PLACEMENT CONTROL" put on it. This was
    	from VMS since we were not just asking VMS to make the file
    	contiuous, but to do it in a specific spot on the disk. This is
    	how the product was able to consolidate the free space as well as
    	defragement the files. This PLACED aspect of the file is only of
    	concern when the file is created. In 4 years of supporting the
    	defragmentor, I never found a case where it caused any problems.
    
    					Derek Street 
631.6DEC's own defragmentor is called DFOGIDDAY::SETHIMan from DownunderFri May 08 1992 08:0210
    G'day,                                                  
    
    By the way DEC's disk defragmentor is called DFO I don't know too much
    about it.  I just thought that I would mention it just in case a
    customer is looking for a defragmentor we can puch our own wonderful
    product.  I can see the $$$$$$ rolling in hopefully !
    
    To install DFO the customer MUST have VMS 5.5 installed.
    
    Sunil
631.7DFG at COOKIE::AIM$NOTES:DISK_DEFRAGATLANA::SHERMANDebt Free!Fri May 08 1992 16:149
    To augment Sunil's reply in .6, the DFG VAX Notes conference is at
    COOKIE::AIM$NOTES:DISK_DEFRAG, and bug reports may be posted at
    COOKIE::AIM$NOTES:DEFRAG_FT.

    Press KP7 to add COOKIE::AIM$NOTES:DISK_DEFRAG to your notebook.

    Hth,

	Ron