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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:	OLD ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:	Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:	IOSG::PYE

Created:	Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:	Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	4343
Total number of notes:	18308

482.0. "auto-forward ALL-IN-1 mail to X400, How??" by HTSC19::ANDYNG () Tue Apr 14 1992 09:19

One user wants to "auto-forward" ALL-IN-1 mail to X.400 mail but gets
an error "user unauthorized to send mail" and the mail is not send.
But if "auto-forward" is not used, the ALL-IN-1 user can directly send
mail to X.400 addressees.  The user suspects when "auto-forwarding" mail
from ALL-IN-1 to X.400 addressees, the mail is forwarded by the ALL-IN-1
postmaster but it is not registered in the X.400 so the mail is rejected.
Registered the postmaster in X.400 seems to solved the problem but another
problem can be caused.  This is when mail is failed to send, normally 
ALL-IN-1 will notify the sender that the mail is not send but for  
"auto-forward" the sender will not receive the notification of the failure 
to send rather the postmaster will be notified instead (am I correct ?).

Question:
	How can one "auto-forward" ALL-IN-1 mail to X.400 adressees
and have all the ALL-IN-1 notifications send back to the sender eg.
notification of receiving or failing to send mail etc ??
(This means ALL-IN-1 user sees no difference between auto-forward and 
normal sending of mail)

ANDY
HK/CSC

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
482.1	Registered in the gateway?	VITARA::REDMOND	Thoughts of an Idle Mind	`Tue Apr 14 1992 09:53`	11
	I believe that users of our MAILbus X.400 gateway must be registered (in DDS) to allow them send or receive mail via the gateway. So if your user is trying to autoforward out via the gateway and aren't registered, then that's probably the reason why the mail is being returned. On the other hand, if they just want to autoforward to X.400 mail (aka ALL-IN-1 MAIL for...) then a simple autoforward address in the form "user @AM@wherever" should work. Tony
482.2		FORTY2::ASH	Grahame Ash @REO	`Tue Apr 14 1992 10:58`	17
	Hi Andy, Can we just eatablish which ALL-IN-1 you're using, as you asked this in the X400MAIL conference as well? Assuming it's IOS, I'll dive in. When ALL-IN-1 autoforwards mail received from MR (i.e. remote mail) it will maintain the original Sender's name on the envelope. So if I send mail to you and you have AF to an X.400 address, the envelope still has my name on and not yours - so I have to be registered to use the X.400 Gateway! (At least I think that's how it works - I'm not sure how adding Postmaster 'fixed' the problem. Also, I think for local mail AF'd off the system, the original Sender will be maintained. I didn't quite understand the rest of the question - which notifications are not being returned to the user? Which user? grahame
482.3	clarify the problem !!	HTSC19::ANDYNG		`Thu Apr 16 1992 04:11`	26
	I have just talked to the user and there is some misunderstanding. Now the question again: Original Auto-Forward recipient Sender ALL-IN-1 account -------- ----------- ------------ X.400 or ALL-IN-1 user that X.400 addressee VAX mail or has been registered ALL-IN-1 or for X.400 mail IBM user or other ... mail Note: the original sender may or may not registered for X.400 mail only the ALL-IN-1 account user used for "auto-forward" mail to X.400 addressees is registered for X.400 mail. What should be done in order to auto-forward the mail from any user throught an ALL-IN-1 user to an X.400 addressee ?? For example, does the customer need to register all the original senders' names for X.400 mail ?? Andy HG/CSC
482.4	sorry, ALL-IN-1 version .......	HTSC19::ANDYNG		`Thu Apr 16 1992 04:13`	4
	The customer uses both ALL-IN-1 version 2.3 and 2.4 .... Andy HK/CSC
482.5	Best guess	FORTY2::ASH	Grahame Ash @REO	`Thu Apr 16 1992 11:17`	4
	Because of what I said in .2, my understanding is that you will have to authorise all of the senders. grahame
482.6	impossible to register all users in the world !!	HTSC19::ANDYNG		`Tue Apr 21 1992 12:06`	8
	The user complains that it is impossible to register all the senders since they are coming from all over the world (it is a big network with many many users). He complains this is a limitation of the ALL-IN-1. He requests for a more feasible workaround as this is quite urgent for him because many of his users complain that they cannot send mail. Andy HK/CSC
482.7	FORTY2::MAILBUS	AIMTEC::WICKS_A	More Ship dates than actual Ships	`Tue Apr 21 1992 15:24`	12
	Andy, The requirement to register all users is not to the best of my knowledge imposed by ALL-IN-1 but rather by the Message Router gateways such as MR/X so it is not a limitation as such of ALL-IN-1 as your customer believes. I would suggest taking your request to FORTY2::MAILBUS for more help Regards, Andrew.D.Wicks
482.8	Clear as MUD	MSDSWS::DUNCAN	To boldly go..Where no one dares	`Tue Apr 21 1992 17:48`	20
	I've been trying to do what I think is the same thing. Node A and B are part of the same network but A can use any mail system. Node B is Using ALL-IN-1 IOS. Node C is across the X400 Gateway. User Darryl on Node B sets auto forward to user Lee on Node C. If user on Node A sends mail to Darryl on Node B which is auto forward to Node C. This will fail because the POSTMASTER account would have to be in DDS to be AUTHORIZED to use the gateway Right??? Once I added the POSTMASTER to DDS I was able to do the above, but the message that was forward to Lee on Node C did not have ANY header information. I'm not sure why. Anyway, this is the way it worked (if you can call it that) for me. Regards, Darryl
482.9	its not impossible	SHALOT::GEERDES		`Tue Apr 21 1992 18:41`	8
	You could always use the AMTS system, to create a new message and attach the incoming message to it. In that case only that user needs to be registered. Ben
482.10	Can I have the steps of the workaround ??	HTSC19::ANDYNG		`Wed Apr 22 1992 11:52`	14
	reply .9 Since I'm a novice of ALL-IN-1 and know nothing about X.400 mail and the MRX gateway and AMTS, would you please show me the steps of the workaround as suggested in .9 so that our customer can follow it. Thank you !! By the way, in order to auto-forward ALL-IN-1 mail to X.400 , sender must be registered. I'm wondering if this is the requirement of the X.400 or the requirement of the MRX gateway. Andy HK/CSC
482.11	What about...	SHALOT::GEERDES		`Wed Apr 22 1992 21:49`	8
	Starting to read the ALL-IN-1 documentation about AMTS. The basic idea is that the POSTMASTER runs a command procedure, from which you start a script. In this script you create a new mail message with the TO being the auto-forward address. Then attach the original mail that came in and send it off. Similar to .8 . Ben