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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

411.0. "NON VT100 VT100 use??" by NOLE2::KIMBEL (Workstations are our business...) Fri Apr 03 1992 16:39

    Hi Don!
    
    I have an HP95LX Palmtop PC which claims to do VT100 emulation. Even
    though it is 16 lines by 40 characters, I can scroll within a full
    24x80 "terminal space". 
    
    When reading a message, it does the first screen, then tries to dump
    the rest of the message into the scrolling region from then on.
    
    I have been checking the HP95 Compuserve forum for ideas, and also Ron
    Sherman. They suggested I use <MODE F, but Ron keeps me out of trouble
    by not allowing that access. I did see something in the -V24 notes file
    in 1256.8 which described how to do a UDK which would do a set
    term/inquire.
    
    Here's what I'd LIKE to do:
    
    - After login to ALL-IN-1, press a key or a series of keys to run a UDK
    (no keypad with PF1-PF4, no F11-F20, no GOLD key).
    
    - Have that UDK redefine the terminal to be a wrapped 40 character
    wide, 16 lines long terminal window without the scrolling region used
    (or not in a destructive way).
    
    BTW, the HP also does ANSI terminal emulation, so if it would be more
    appropriate to use that mode, I could.
    
    Any ideas? This thing makes my life better on the road and only weighs
    11 ounces, not the 6 pounds of the notebooks we have now.
    
    Bill Kimbel (one of Don Vicker's WORST nightmares!)
    
    PS. The person recommending the <MODE F was named Barclay Brown, who
    claimed to be one of the original developers of the Charlotte Package.
    
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411.1Don's being dense againBUFFER::VICKERSIf it helps a customer, DO ITFri Apr 03 1992 19:0428
    Hi Bill,

    I am afraid that I am missing exactly what is going on between the
    HP95LX and ALL-IN-1.  Are you saying that everything works until you go
    to the second screen of a mail message and at that time everything goes
    to HP's scrolled region in a destructive way?

    I am afraid that changing the terminal to have a small screen will not
    work as ALL-IN-1 (I suspect it may really be FMS) requires 80X24. 
    Doing the change after entering ALL-IN-1 will be ineffective as ALL-IN-1
    will just set it right back.

    Was Mr. Brown suggesting <MODE C, by chance?  I am not aware of what
    <MODE F might do besides nothing.  MODE C places you into 'Command'
    mode and may allow you to be a 'partial VT100'.  You can easily try
    this via the US ST menu options.

    Mr. Brown was CLOSE to the development of the Charlotte Package as he
    was in Sales in Charlotte at the time.  He was most certainly NOT one
    of the original developers in any way.  I will refrain from further
    comment but suffice that I hold him in the same level of esteem as
    he deserves.

    Bill, I never had nightmares from you.  If Digital had more people like
    you helping customers we wouldn't be going out of business.

    Keep the faith,
    don
411.2MOre explanation, and another possibility?NOLE2::KIMBELWorkstations are our business...Fri Apr 03 1992 23:1527
    Thanks for the kind comments, Don. I hope we aren't both part of a
    vanishing breed! Pendulums have to swing back, unless they fly off the
    pivot.
    
    When the first of the message comes on the screen I am at the top left
    of the first screen. The message scrolls over and down to the bottom
    right quadrant of the screen, and I see the right end of the message in
    the scrolling region, requesting a return or exit.
    
    I press the return key and the next full screen of info flashes by in
    the last line of the screen, resulting in total unintelligibility and a
    headache, if you do it often. Somehow the VT100 emulation in the HP
    can't handle the scrolling region. Seems like I recall a phrase from
    the dark past: "This really sucks dirty swamp water!" (or was that
    sewer water?, Oh well, you get my point... I can't use this!).
    
    Using the ANSI setting, I get the message that the terminal isn't
    identified, and then I shift into hardcopy mode. Which brings up
    another potential... Is there a way to set the hardcopy mode to wrap at
    40?
    
    Clutching at straws...
    
    Bill
    
    
    
411.3Straws suck, tooBUFFER::VICKERSIf it helps a customer, DO ITSat Apr 04 1992 02:2114
    Bill,

    Are you able to control your environment from DCL?  Another approach
    that you could use would:

    $ SET TERMINAL/WIDTH=40/WRAP/PAGE=16
    $ ALLIN1/TERMINAL=HARD

    I suspect that the /PAGE=16 will have no effect since ALL-IN-1 doesn't
    'page' in HARDCOPY mode.  I tried the above and it does work but, of
    course, the output can be confusing and ugly (sort of like me).

    Hang in there,
    don
411.4How about this from ALL-IN-1?NOLE2::KIMBELWorkstations are our business...Mon Apr 06 1992 16:2710
    Don,
    
    Would a UDK like the following work?
    
    UDK to DCL
    $set term/wid=40/wrap/page=16
    $ALLIN1/TERMINAL=HARD/REENTER
    
    BK
    
411.5Assuming you're captive you'll need two filesBUFFER::VICKERSIf it helps a customer, DO ITMon Apr 06 1992 20:0119
    Bill,

    I am gathering that you are privileged to enter ALL-IN-1 directly and
    that you do not have DCL access? This seems rather rude to me but I
    understand that this approach seems wide spread within Digital systems. 
    I would hope that Mr. Sherman could help make this a bit easier for you
    to accomplish your work.

    If my assumption is correct then you will have to first create a UDP
    which does the following:

    .FU CLEAR
    .FU COMMAND SMALL_SCREEN

    and create SMALL_SCREEN.COM in your ALL-IN-1 directory which contains
    the two lines of DCL you have in .4.

    I hope this helps,
    don