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Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

Title:*OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference
Notice:Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1
Moderator:IOSG::PYE
Created:Thu Jan 30 1992
Last Modified:Tue Jan 23 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4343
Total number of notes:18308

274.0. "ALL-IN-1 V3 - X400 Delivery Receipts" by GIDDAY::BURT (Chele Burt - CSC Sydney, DTN 7357714) Thu Mar 19 1992 06:32

Hello and Greetings,

I have a query regarding ALL-IN-1 V3 and X400 Gateways.
Are delivery receipts sent via the X400 Gateway now honoured by ALL-IN-1?
I have 2 customers who want to know "IF" & "WHEN"...

I believe that the following was the case with ALL-IN-1 V2.3 & V2.4:

 	ALL-IN-1 uses the following items in the content header:
 	VEND[CDELIV] = Delivery Receipt
 	VEND[RRECPT] = Read Receipt                     
 There is also a VEND[CDELIV] on the envelope, which ALL-IN-1 uses
 to detect the request. The one on the content is used to
 display to the recipient that a delivery report was requested.
 
 MRIF ignores any NBS elements that it does not recognise.
 These include the above fields, because they are not  X.400 conformant.
                                                                      
 ALL-IN-1 has it's own mechanism for requesting and detecting Read and Delivery 
 receipts. It does not use the method specified in X.400 of setting flags in the
 PERRECFLG (Delivery Notification) and REPORTLFG (Receipt Notification). 

 ALL-IN-1 does not build the .nbs file with the standard NBS fields for 
 delivery and read receipts but instead uses vendor defined fields. 
 Positive delivery acknowledgements do not work through MRX because of
 this.

Would anyone like to comment on this?

Regards,
'Chele
    
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274.1Situation Normal, All.....IOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's ApprenticeThu Mar 19 1992 11:038
    Since mail was hardly changed in V3, I would expect that this behaviour
    will be the same as V2.4.
    
    Full support of X400 in ALL-IN-1/IOS will be provided in a PFR.
    
    Sorry,
    
    Graham
274.2Same old mail you know and loveAIMTEC::WICKS_AVote Bill'n'Opus for a weirder USAThu Mar 19 1992 16:2913
    Chele,
    
    The Mail in ALL-IN-1 predates MRIF let alone X.400 in fact sometime
    next year (May I believe) the code will be celebrating it's 10th
    birthday. 
    
    Ah X.400 in a PFR now where have I heard that before (:==:)
    
    Rememeber the slogan "DIGITAL had it then"
    
    Regards,
                  
    Andrew.D.Wicks
274.3PFR?GIDDAY::BURTChele Burt - CSC Sydney, DTN 7357714Thu Mar 19 1992 23:5411
Thanks guys,

That was the impression I received from reading the DIAMONDFT & A1INF 
conferences - lots of lack of comment.

BTW - will that be the PINK PFR, or the GREEN PFR?

Regards,

Chele

274.4Being even more than usually thick:IOSG::PYEGraham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's ApprenticeFri Mar 20 1992 11:185
    Re .-1
    
    No, sorry I don't get the colour code...
    
    Graham
274.5Question and commentsTHEBAY::WIEGLEBDAHit the button, Frank!Tue Mar 31 1992 02:4126
    Excuse my ignorance on this please, but what is "PFR"?
    
    I'm very interested in X.400 support by ALL-IN-1, being well-versed in 
    X.400 but extremely frustrated by ALL-IN-1's implementation of X.400 
    access.
    
    I'm most interested in when ALL-IN-1 will provide a better template for
    X.400 addressing - supplying options for Surname, Given Name, and
    Initials for instance.  
    
    Also, I'm hoping for the day when "MR Mailbox" is no longer requested 
    in the template.  Either the addressed X.400 domain is known or not
    known - the routing should be tranparent to the user.  The MTA
    definition should be stored in DDS and validated by the User Agent
    (ALL-IN-1).
    
    The storage and display of X.400 addresses by ALL-IN-1 leaves much to
    be desired as well - most of the useful data runs off the screen,
    making it nigh impossible to manage.
    
    Every couple years, I make another attempt at becoming an ALL-IN-1
    user, but tend to give up in frustration after a month or so.
    
    BTW, we are currently running V2.4.
    
    - Dave
274.6PFR is a context-sensitive TLAAIMTEC::WICKS_AVote Bill'n'Opus for a weirder USATue Mar 31 1992 03:3418
    PFR is an ever-changing term in that it stands for Possible Future Release
    
    In the old notes file PFR often meant what turned out to be ALL-IN-1
    v2.3 and then later it came to mean ALL-IN-1 v3.0 (a soon to be
    released version)
    
    At this moment in space and time PFR means something after v3.0 and so
    you'll will have to ask specifics in ABBOTT::A1INFO.
    
    Being naturally pessimistic by nature I point out thaT X.400 was
    promised for both v2.3 and v3.0 but didn't make it into either.
    who knows what will be in the PFR...
    
    Regards,
                                                                          
    Andrew.D.Wicks
    
    
274.7Some of .5's problems can be fixedIOSG::SHOVEDave Shove -- REO-D/3CTue Mar 31 1992 11:5015
    RE: .5
    
    There's not much that can be done about the display of X.400 addresses
    (or any other long addresses) without a significant re-design of the
    User Interface.
    
    However, your other point, about the X.400 addressing template, can be
    fixed on-site. The "template" is actually just an FMS form (called
    something obvious like X400) which can be customised. You could easily
    remove the MR mailbox field and make the form supply the correct value
    for you (or - more simply - add an FMS default value for the field so
    the user didn't have to fill it in). Similarly, you could add Initials
    etc.
    
    Dave.
274.8Much appreciatedTHEBAY::WIEGLEBDAHit the button, Frank!Tue Mar 31 1992 19:2314
    RE: .6 and .7
    
    Thanks much for the info.
    
    Are there any particular document pointers on the details of the 
    current ALL-IN-1 X.400 addressing template?  Also, is this customizable 
    on an individual basis or does it affect all users?  (It isn't my system 
    to play with.)
    
    Having to customize individually is certainly not the ideal situation
    for something that should be in the product itself, but it provides a 
    good work-around.  Thanks again.
    
    - Dave
274.9You can do it for a single user, if requiredIOSG::SHOVEDave Shove -- REO-D/3CWed Apr 01 1992 12:2921
    You can make personal customised versions of both the form (its name is
    in fact X400FM) and the command file which lies behind it if you need
    to (X400.CMU - note that, despite its wierd file extension of .CMU it's
    in fact a normal DCL command file).
    
    You will find X400FM in library OA$LIB:OAFORM. Use the FD subsystem to
    make a private copy in your USER.FLB forms library (which will then be
    used in preference to the system one) and edit it as desired.
    
    If you need to change the processing behind it, copy OA$LIB:X400.CMU to
    your default ALL-IN-1 subdirectory and edit it. Again, it will be used
    in preference to the system one (DON'T CHANGE ITS NAME!!)
    
    Or, use the Customisation Management subsystem to make the changes -
    this would be the "right" way to do it, but you may not have the
    Application Progrmmer privs which you need to use CM.
    
    I suspect you may need some help in making any but very simple changes,
    however.
    
    Dave.