Conference iosg::all-in-1_v30

    What's a concurrent licence? The only ones I know about are capacity
    and personal.
    
    You may take that to mean that we're not likely to support them
    imminently, but my LMF knowledge is getting a bit out of date.
    
    Graham
    
    PS Now's your chance to correct me Paul!

    
    	Certainly Graham!
    
    	A concurrent license is one where a fixed number of "users" may
    	be active at any one time. I used to hate these licenses when I
    	was a customer because of "Managing Director Syndrome", ie its
    	always the Managing Director that can't get into the image because
    	everyone else has used up the units.
    
    	When implementing the LMF code in V3.0, I designed in support for
    	concurrent licenses, and allowed Personal Use licenses to be mixed
    	with concurrent licenses. The idea was, that you could /RESERVE a
    	personal use license for the Managing Director and use concurrent
    	use licenses for the plebs, thus avoiding MDS.
    
    	Now that was just the design. I commented the code on how to
    	implement concurrent licenses but didn't put it in.
    
    	If you really want concurrent licenses then now is a good time to
    	push Product Management to get it in a PFR. (I personally, still
    	don't like concurrent licenses, but customers supposedly love them)
    
    	First of all, you need to know who Product Management is of course!
    
    Regards,
    Paul

    My feeling would be that ANY product that can receive mail should NOT
    be allowed to have a concurrent use license.
    
    With ALL-IN-1 someone can send you a mail message even though 
    you are not using the system... if the concurrent  use license is ful
    up, does that mean the mail can't be delivered??
    
    
    
    It is a bit like this Crescent building and New Working Practises!! The
    building is designed for 400 people, but has 650 people in it!! Only
    the first people in get desks, the others "hopefully" don't come in
    that day becasue they are out visiting customers!

Hi,

Mail will get delivered regardless of who or how many users are on the system.
The only implication of a concurrent licence is that the recipient may not be
able to log in and read it for a while!

Scott

I think the point being made was that, if you are receiving mail, you
are using ALL-IN-1.  And if you are using ALL-IN-1, you should be counted
in the concurrent license.

re: .0

Contact Bill Colquitt @ZKO (or A1VAX::Colquitt).  They've just reorganized
product management this week, and he seems to be the only person that is
for sure (this week) working on ALL-IN-1 V2.4 & V3.0.

K.

    
    	Yes, there are problems with concurrent licenses, but the obvious
    	ones we figured out. Sender and fetcher run under POSTMASTER so
    	we allow POSTMASTER, MANAGER and a few others into the image
    	"for free". The skeleton of this has been implemented in V3.0.
    	There is also a customizable symbol to specify who gets let in
    	for free (LMF was never supposed to be bullet proof, so we don't
    	really enforce things). This is so that the customer can add his
    	own "overhead" accounts for doing things like running sender and
    	fetcher under different users.
    
    	Actually, now that I can see how this new LMF stuff is working in
    	practice, I think we should just allow /NOINIT for "free" as
    	there are a few places where you can't predict the account name
    	(installation and A1V30START).
    
    	I don't think "receiving mail" should be counted as a "user". The
    	script symbiont adds some new things to think about, but I think
    	it is all "doable".
    
    	By the way, we are not planning to sell any Secondary Language
    	Personal Use licenses for V3.0. Anyone using Personal Licenses
    	and secondary languages on V2.4 is going to have to upgrade to
    	a capacity license. Anyone worried about this?
    
    Regards,
    Paul

    re .6
    
    Upgrading from personal licences to capacity licences could be a
    problem for some folks.
    
    There is no procedure in place in the UK to allow for this to happen.   
    The reason being a statement made in the November issue of the 
    European SALES UPDATE article, announcing details of the new USER 
    licences.  
    This statement, found in the "Trade Up to User section", reads "DIGITAL 
    does not allow conversion of Personal Use and Concurrent Use licences to 
    Traditional & ClusterWide licences".
    
    So you see for us here in the UK, your proposal could be painful.
    
    Judy Harwood 
    (Pre-sales Technical Support DECdirect UK)

  Does having either the personal or the concurrent license limit the
number of subscribers that can be created within A1 V3.0?  Can you simply 
add any number of subscribers, and if you have personal licensing, only 
those users could get access to A1 and if you have concurrent licensing, 
only the specified number of users could get access to A1?

  If adding subscribers is counted, do you get POSTMASTER, MANAGER, X400 
etc accounts free? 
 
  What is the impact on licensing if your migrating from V2.4 to V3.0 and 
you have shared accounts?

    
    	You are not the first to mis-read my note, so here goes:
    
    
    		***********************************************
    		***********************************************
    		****	ALL-IN-1 V3.0 DOES *NOT* SUPPORT   ****
    		****	CONCURRENT LICENSING. THERE IS NO  ****
    		****	CODE IN V3.0 TO SUPPORT THIS, AND  ****
    		****	IT DOES NOT WORK. WE DO NOT SELL   ****
    		****	CONCURRENT LICENSES FOR ALL-IN-1   ****
    		***********************************************
    		***********************************************
    
    	Now, restricting your question to Personal Licensing (which
    	is, as always, supported)... I'll edit your questions to take
    	out the concurrent licensing stuff:
    
>  Does having the personal [edit] license limit the
>number of subscribers that can be created within A1 V3.0?

	No. This is new to V3.0. We now use the standard LMF V1.1 feature
	"RESERVE_LIST" to "police" personal licenses. ALL-IN-1's licensing
	policy has always been to assist the System Manager in adminstering
	licenses, not to enforce them. You have to have a license to
	install or run ALL-IN-1, but to restrict your usage of ALL-IN-1
	you should attach a reserve list to your personal licenses,
	specifying those users that are allowed access to the product.

>Can you simply 
>add any number of subscribers, and if you have personal licensing, only 
>those users could get access to A1 [edit]?
>
	Yes, if you add a reserve list specifying those users.

>  If adding subscribers is counted, do you get POSTMASTER, MANAGER, X400 
>etc accounts free? 
> 
	Yes. Even though we don't "count" the subscribers, the above
	accounts don't have to be specified in the reserve list and come
	for "free".

>  What is the impact on licensing if your migrating from V2.4 to V3.0 and 
>you have shared accounts?
>

	You can still have shared accounts on V3.0 so I don't think this
	has anything to do with migration. Several users sharing one
	account will be seen as one user by the licensing system, (but
	not by our legal department! :-). We wanted to make the reserve
	list a list of ALL-IN-1 usernames, not VMS usernames, but this
	wasn't supported in LMF V1.1 (it may come in a PFR of LMF).

Regards,
Paul