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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

3467.0. "Real control over colors (hw-level)" by EEMELI::TAVI (Reserved for future use) Mon Oct 15 1990 10:01

    
    I know this is not a hw specific conference, but I'm just checking 
    if someone could help or give me "yet another pointer" ;-)
    
    We have a customer with a very special need for graphics. Here is his
    mail which explaines his problems ...
    
    Question is if our PXG HW could solve his problem ?
    	- what is resolution of DACs used in our DS5000-200PXG   ?
    	- can we use some lookup table between colormap and DACs ?
    
    +----
    
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Workstation with HiFi color wanted (24 bit's not photorealistic)
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 11 Oct 90 01:40:09 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
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I am looking for a graphics workstation or frame buffer which is capable to
produce more intensity levels on screen than normal ones. It is intended to
be used to produce precicely controlled visual stimuli for our vision
reseach measurements. The normal 24 bit full color definition is absolutely 
not good enough. 48 bits i.e. 16 bits for every color component would be quite
optimal. In addition to it there would be gamma correction lookup tables 
16 bits in and something more out to make things right for High Fidelity 
imaging. All that should be double buffered and/or there should be enough 
bandwidth between frame buffer and memory with some locking system to make 
smooth animation possible.

Indexed color 3 x (8 bits to something more) is better than plain 24 bits
if direct color systems with enough bits are not available. This can be
done with gamma correction lookup tables if they have bigger outputs than
inputs and DACs have enough bits too. I am interested to get information 
of grayscale systems with high intensity resolution too.

I already know that Evans & Sutherland has 9 bits DACs in some product
and Pixar has 10 bits output but these are not enough. But who has more?
12 bits per color component is about the minimum but not yet perfect.
So the digital to analog converters should be at least 12 bits for each
channel. If there is no more than 12 bits then dithering must be used for 
additional fine tuning and gamma correction must be calculated to the image 
file, which both take additional processing power.

If somebody can help me to find such a High Fidelity graphics workstation
or something near it please do so!

Kari Osmoviita                             [email protected]
University of Helsinki 
Department of Physiology
Vision Research Laboratory
Siltavuorenpenger 20 J
SF-00170 Helsinki
Finland
    
    
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3467.1Question: Does CRT performance become the limiting factor?IO::MCCARTNEYJames T. McCartney III - DTN 381-2244 ZK02-2/N24Wed Oct 24 1990 01:5318
    
    While I  don't  claim to be anywhere near "expert" on this subject, I'm
    left to wonder where  they  expect to find monitors with phospors which
    are  capable  of  producing  such    fine   differences  in  intensity.

    Additionally,  the primary colors used for most  monitors  are  nowhere
    near the edges of the CIE chromasticity horseshoe, so regardless of the
    number of bits of resolution, there are some visible colors  which just
    can't be produced.

    Does  this  customer  really understand the  physics  of  CRT  displays
    sufficiently  to  know  his assumptions about DAC width  will  actually
    cause a MEASURABLE difference on the screen?
    
    Sounds pretty strange to me.
    
    James