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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:	DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:	See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:	STAR::VATNE

Created:	Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:	Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	3726
Total number of notes:	19516

3386.0. "Mouse emulation mode" by KONING::KONING (NI1D @FN42eq) Mon Sep 24 1990 19:41

I'm doing some tracing with the bitpad.  This involves dragging the puck
all over the place with MB1 pushed down, which gives a bad cramp in the
arm after a while.

I thought mouse emulation mode would help: hit "Find" (MB1 down) and trace
away.  No such luck; the first motion cancels the MB1-down.  I suppose this
could be considered a feature most of the time -- but for this application
it is not the way to go.

Is there some way I can get the effect I need?  (Can I patch some driver
to make it do this?  VMS V5.3...)

	paul

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
3386.1	What application?	CVG::PETTENGILL	mulp	`Tue Sep 25 1990 01:20`	13
	I think I just did what you want to do with Paint with no problem: I hit ctrl-F3 and the wait light comes on. I moved the mouse to the general area with the puck, then fine positioned with the arrow keys (having previously selected the pencil icon). Then I hit Find, and then I started drawing with the arrow keys. Once I had drawn the line, or box, or whatever, I hit Select to cancel the button down. I admit that I haven't tried it with DECwrite, and I can see the possibility that somehow DECwrite and the Draw options are somehow interfering with the operation of the mouse emulation.
3386.2		KONING::KONING	NI1D @FN42eq	`Tue Sep 25 1990 19:20`	7
	No, the problem is that what you did is exactly what I do NOT want... I don't want to draw with the arrow keys, I want to draw with the puck. The only reason I was using mouse emulation mode is to emulate the mouse BUTTONS. paul
3386.3		DECWIN::FISHER	Locutus: Fact or Fraud?	`Fri Sep 28 1990 15:32`	11
	Hmmm. That's odd. It does seem to release the pseudo-button when you move the real mouse. I didn't know it did that. You could put in a QAR. However, be warnned that the vast majority of the world (or at least vocal readers of this conference) wanted the entire kb mouse emulation to be cancelled when the mouse was so much as blown on. What we did do for V3 was to have a real mouse button hit cancel mouse emulation mode. I don't know why mouse motion cancels button down. Burns
3386.4	I hadn't thought of using it that way, but I agree that it should!	CVG::PETTENGILL	mulp	`Tue Oct 02 1990 18:53`	6
	Yes, please QAR it. I hadn't understood what you were doing, but I would have expected that I could use a combination of the two, keypad to select, mouse to do rapid positioning, and arrows to fine tune. (As far as the objections to this mode, I think they should be handled with a setup that goes beyond selecting the key sequence to toggle the mode, but also the ability to disable it entirely.)
3386.5		SIMON::SZETO	Simon Szeto, ISEDA/US at ZKO	`Thu Oct 04 1990 12:15`	1
	For a somewhat related discussion, see notes 2056.22-.26.
3386.6	Hardware solution for now...	KONING::KONING	NI1D @FN42eq	`Fri Oct 12 1990 13:22`	8
	With some help from Atlant Schmidt, I built a "kludge box" that goes between the puck and the bitpad and has toggle switches on it in parallel with the MB1,2,3 wires. Meanwhile, it sounds like the consensus is that I should try to find the QAR system and enter a complaint... paul
3386.7		KONING::KONING	NI1D @FN42eq	`Fri Oct 12 1990 13:41`	5
	QAR 3354 in the V5 database. paul PS. does anyone want a description of the kludge box?