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| 3287.1 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Aug 30 1990 21:34 | 11 |
| I suggest you start with the manuals that VMS supplies, notably
the VMS Guide to Developing DECwindows Applications (or something
like that). It introduces the concepts you need and gives examples.
VAX C is probably the best of the languages you name for applications,
as most of the examples are in C. COBOL is nearly impossible, as
there are (I don't think) any declarations provided. BASIC would
be ok, but there is no BASIC-oriented documentation or examples.
Ignore MACRO.
Steve
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| 3287.2 | Don't underestimate the effort! | TOOLEY::B_WACKER | | Fri Aug 31 1990 15:25 | 12 |
| > I suggest you start with the manuals that VMS supplies, notably
> the VMS Guide to Developing DECwindows Applications (or something
> like that). It introduces the concepts you need and gives examples.
And also take a look at every other book avaialble. Our doc is
comprehensive, but sometimes pretty unclear on alternatives, etc.
Douglas Young's is particularly good on toolkit. There is also a
couple of classes and an SPI course offered by us. It is very big and
requires much more than just picking up a programming language. Get
all the help you can.
Bruce
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| 3287.3 | MS/DOS Windows and VAX | CARTUN::CLIFFORD | | Fri Aug 31 1990 18:29 | 10 |
| The books I see in the book store are for developing applications
written in MS/DOS. Do the concepts carry over but the syntax is different?
Like CD\NEW_DIRECTORY vs SET DEF [.NEW_DIRECTORY]?
I saw a book called "Understanding Windows" using MS/DOS. Is that
comparable to what it takes to do it on the VAX?
Gary
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| 3287.4 | Windows is not X | GILROY::klee | Ken Lee | Fri Aug 31 1990 18:37 | 8 |
| Re: .3
Books about "Windows" are really about Microsoft Windows for MS-DOS
PCs. This has little do do with the X Window System for VMS and UNIX
workstations. A regularly updated bibliography (in PostScript) of
books and articles on the X Window System may be found in
gilroy:/wsl/doc/misc/Xbibliography.PS.
Ken
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| 3287.5 | | HKOVC::TERENCE | From Middlesex, UWO | Thu Sep 13 1990 22:13 | 5 |
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I think it will be much easier to understand the XToolkit if you have the
XLib concept.
-Terry
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| 3287.6 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Fri Sep 14 1990 10:11 | 7 |
| Re: .5
I disagree. It is possible to create complete applications without needing
to understand or use Xlib at all. Xlib is the lower level that should be
learned only if necessary.
Steve
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| 3287.7 | Another X-rated response | SRFSUP::HERKELRATH | If they fire one, we'll fire one. One fired, sir | Fri Sep 14 1990 13:43 | 6 |
| re: .5
I agree with .5. Where you can develop complete applications using
toolkits, your "comfortablity" would be much higher if you understood
XLIB. I suggest you do both. Start using the toolkit while you are
reading up on XLIB. That way when you need to make X calls you can
(and you will need to make X calls at some point).
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| 3287.8 | New books from Digital Press | PEACHS::BELDIN | | Sat Sep 15 1990 15:59 | 18 |
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May I suggest a new book by Digital Press that is good
intro and reference to the toolkit from a 'generic' (Intrinsics)
point of view? "X Window System Toolkit" by Paul Asente and
Ralph Swick just came out and it provides the explanations
behind the 'mystery' that the 'gray' books just don't address.
The order number is EY-E757E-DP. The book addresses widget
writing as well as application writing and appears to be
thoughtfully written. Although it does not address the
specifics of the Digital toolkit, it is easy to address that
once you've gotten through the basics. A companion book
is the "X Window System", order number EY-755E-DP.
This is what the DEC docs should have been in the first
place...
rb
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