[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

2568.0. "Workstation DOG" by KYOA::PEREZ (Welcome to My Nightmare) Wed Apr 04 1990 11:21

    ENTRY LEVEL QUESTION from NEW WORKSTATION USER:
    
    I have a Vaxstation 3100 with 8Mb of memory.  
    I am configured as a sattelite node in a Local Area Cluster.
    My workstation boots off of a Microvax II.
    
    The problem:
    
    I am running very slow.  My PAGE and SWAP files are local.  
    I was told that one solution (besides purchasing more memory) was
    to have DECWINDOWS served to me from a faster machine.  IS this true?
    
    If so, how can i accomplish this task.
    
    CLUES:
    
    Set display command??
    
    Help is much appreciated.
    
    thanks, tony
     
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                            
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
2568.1An alternativeAGBEAR::HORNERA.G.Bear, Old fashion teddy bearWed Apr 04 1990 11:4618
    This would help, but is not necessarily needed.  It is explained
    best in the DECwindows User guide, chapter 8.

    Another method that I've successfully used on 8MB 3100's is to
    enable mild working set decrementing.  The machines really fly
    after I've done this.  Here are the SYSGEN param values that
    I used:

	! The following 5 parameters enable working set decrementing
	PFRATH=80
	PFRATL=1
	LONGWAIT=10
	WSINC=100
	WSDEC=30

    Maybe they will help you too.

               Dave
2568.2Why WSDEC Helps?KYOA::PEREZWelcome to My NightmareWed Apr 04 1990 15:5210
    
    re: .1 
    
    Can you explain why mild working set decrementing helps my
    situation?  Sorry, but it would help me understand the total 
    picture? 
    
    Thanks 
    Tony
    
2568.32 bit guide to client/serverDEMON3::CLEVELANDNotes - fun or satanic cult?Wed Apr 04 1990 17:0618
Working set decrementing will take memory away from inactive processes on your
workstation, and give it to those processes that are faulting heavily.

To serve DECW: ("It's a cookbook!")

1. Using session manager customize, security submenu, allow access to the
remote account that you'll use in step 2.

2. Log into that account (say, on your boot node).  Do a
SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=MYWS::/TRANSPORT=DECNET.  Then run any DECWindows
application (Clock, Notes, etc.).  It will open its window back on MYWS::

I don't think it will help matters much if all you've got for a remote host
(client in DECW terminology) is a Microvax II.

Tim

Ps: see note 1041 and 1514 for more useful information
2568.4XUI::VANNOYJake VanNoyWed Apr 18 1990 10:435
>Working set decrementing will take memory away from inactive processes on your
>workstation, and give it to those processes that are faulting heavily.

I don't think so.  Working set decrementing only happens when a process hits
quantum end, and an inactive process, by defintion, doesn't hit quantum end.
2568.5Ah yesAGBEAR::HORNERA.G.Bear, Old fashion teddy bearThu Apr 19 1990 09:499
    .4 is right.  Another trick that I do is to submit a FREEMEM job
    from DECW$LOGIN.COM with a delta time far enough in the future to
    let all the login activity die down.  FREEMEM will purge everyone's
    working set down to minimum.  Those processes that are active and
    need more memory will get it back.  Working set decrementing helps
    keep this under control.  Page faults tend to stay "soft" on our
    systems, so everything stays responsive.

                Dave
2568.6What I've done and seems to work...IO::MCCARTNEYJames T. McCartney III - DTN 381-2244 ZK02-2/N24Fri Jun 01 1990 14:038
    Something that  I've  found  works  well is to trim wsquota low and let
    wsextent be large  so  that  you  live  in  overdraft most of the time.
    Also, trim balsetcnt low so that you force swapping.  You'll get slower
    response moving from appliation to application, but it cuts down on the
    paging rate while you use a single application.
    
    James