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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

2028.0. "Remote display to Hidden Area ?" by TKOV04::HIRAYAMA (Sadamoto Hirayama @TKO) Thu Jan 11 1990 02:16


This has been cross-posted into both IAMOK::HIDDEN_AREAS and BULOVA::DECWINDOWS
conference. If anyone give me help or answer, please reply at HIDDEN_AREAS
conference. 

Well, 

In order to define the node to be associated with a pseudo workstation,
$SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=workstation_node is supported. In this case,
Can the command be supported across the hidden area ?  Typically,
workstation is in a hidden area and the command may be used on the remote
node in a non-hidden area. 

If it's possible, it has to support POORMAN's rooting like node::node::
at the /NODE qualifier. I just tried it but failed.

Any suggestions or answer would be very welcome.

Thanks in advance.
 
/Sada
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2028.1DECWIN::JMSYNGEJames M Synge, VMS DevelopmentThu Jan 11 1990 09:469
    Poor man's routing is not supported by the X protocol, nor by our
    implementations.
    
    The only protocols I know of which support poor man's routing are DAP
    (File transfer) and MAIL.  And DAP's support seems more like a nice
    side effect than something which require's significant support (at
    least on VMS).
    
    James
2028.2Notes 2.1 also supports PMRBLOCKP::nethCraig NethThu Jan 11 1990 11:250
2028.3PSW::WINALSKICareful with that VAX, EugeneFri Jan 12 1990 18:237
RE: .1

MAIL and FAL support poor man's routine due to historical accident.  The feature
was required back in the DECnet Phase 2 days, before DNA got a routing layer.
The feature was never taken out of the MAIL and FAL network objects.

--PSW
2028.4It's easy if they're on the same LANGOFER::HARLEYConfidentially... I AM A WABBIT!!Sat Jan 13 1990 11:305
    Are both nodes on the same LAN? If they are, you don't need to use PMR,
    just make sure that each node has the other one defined in their
    Netnode_Remote databases.
    
    /Harley
2028.5Yes you can do thisYUPPY::CONNOLLYNORTON owners club memberMon Jan 15 1990 09:376
    re .4
    
    Yes, we use this quite successfully in London between our workstations
    (area 62) and the bootnode/compute engine/x-client (area 41).
    
    Gerry
2028.6how do I define node in my "network database"HANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Thu Nov 15 1990 13:1713
I want to run a DECwindows client on node RANI which is area 55, and display
the windows on my screen on node OSMAN, which is a VS2000 running EWS, and
is a hidden node in area 62.

If OSMAN were vms, I'd know how to say

	$ mcr ncp set ndoe rani address 55.xxx
	$ mcr ncp define node rani address 55.xx

But given that OSMAN is EWS, how do I do it ?

/Eric
2028.7KELSON::GULDENSCHUHSuccess lies in achieving the top of the food chain.Thu Nov 15 1990 14:198
Is RANI on the same LAN as OSMAN?  If so, just

	RANI> SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=OSMAN

If not, you'll have to use the VT1000/VT1200 DECW$DWT_DECNET thru OSMAN's
host node.

/s/ Chuck
2028.8please explain more about this DECW$DWT_DECNET thing !HANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Thu Nov 15 1990 15:2431
The EWS node OSMAN is booted from node LEVEL, which is in area 55.  OSMAN
is hidden area 62.  Actually, LEVEL is part of the HANNAH cluster, and the
hidden area 62 that OSMAN is in is seen by HANNAH.

So, if I just run a DECwindows application from my DECterm, the default is
that the application is running on LEVEL with its windows appearing
on OSMAN.

That combination works fine.

The trouble crops up when I set host from LEVEL to RANI, which happens
to also be in area 55 but is *not* part of the HANNAH cluster.

From RANI, I attempt this:

	$ set display/create/node=osman
	$ run sys$system:decw$clock	! for example

I always get

	% client is not authorized

even though I authorized RANI::OSMAN on the OSMAN workstation in "customize
security".

If this DECW$DWT_DECNET thing helps, please tell me more about it.

Thanks.

/Eric
2028.9Use Node Address 55.673 Instead of RANI in Your Security Database See Users ManualJEANNE::KEELERGary N. Keeler 235-8634Thu Nov 15 1990 15:491
 
2028.10got hidden area working, thanks.HANNAH::OSMANsee HANNAH::IGLOO$:[OSMAN]ERIC.VT240Thu Nov 15 1990 16:4112
The trick turned out to merely be to customize security the number

	55.673

instead of the node name

	RANI

Thanks.

/Eric