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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1959.0. "BookReader to printer/BookReader format convertor" by TMIS01::DORON (Doing my BEST !!!) Thu Dec 21 1989 11:47

Hi,

 I hope this is the place to ask this. A very critical client of our wants to
purchase few CD-ROMS drives, including a full VMS DOC set. Since it is only in
bookreader format so only bookreader can access them, & The current version of
bookreader can't send pages to printer this can blow the whole purchase. Our
client wants to know if it will be possible to print a whole book from
bookreader.
 I can extend the question: is there a way to convert files from bookreader
format to any printable format?

	Thanks in advance, and Merry Christmas

				*-Doron-* 
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1959.1STAR::MFOLEYRebel Without a ClueThu Dec 21 1989 14:527

	No..

	More info in BULOVA::BOOKREADER

							mike
1959.2BUNYIP::QUODLINGOooooh, Nice Software....Thu Dec 21 1989 18:2315
        IS your Client Serious? THey want to be able to print the whole of
        the Bookreader VMS Doc Kit to their Laser Printer? Are they aware
        that this is over 25,000 pages per set? Given the cost of Laser
        Printer Paper (in low quantity), and the consumables (Toner etc)
        that it would take to print this, let alone the time of an
        individual to drive it. They would find that it would be far more
        cost effective to order hardcopy documentation if that is indeed
        what they want.
        
        It was never intended that the On Line Documentation be used as a
        Demand Printing environment. THis may or may not change in the
        future. 
        
        q
        
1959.3They R very Serious.TMIS01::DORONDoing my BEST !!!Sat Dec 23 1989 07:3016
>        IS your Client Serious? THey want to be able to print the whole of
>        the Bookreader VMS Doc Kit to their Laser Printer? Are they aware
>        that this is over 25,000 pages per set? Given the cost of Laser
>        Printer Paper (in low quantity), and the consumables (Toner etc)
>        that it would take to print this, let alone the time of an
>        individual to drive it. They would find that it would be far more
>        cost effective to order hardcopy documentation if that is indeed
>        what they want.
>        

He is very Serious. They will print ONLY those manualls that they want to use.
Since storage space costs a lot of money and we R talking about almost 100 
copies, I think it makes it reasonable to do so.

	Happy new year,
			*-Doron-*
1959.4LESLIE::LESLIEAndy - on vacation until 9th JanuarySat Dec 23 1989 12:4318
    It's not really as reasonable as you or your customer make out.
    Bookreader format has different pagelengths and fonts that would be
    inappropriate for paper printing.
    
    If the customer wants printable manual sets and is prepared to pay for
    them and the media they'd come on and the consumables as detailed by
    PQ, then *maybe* a deal could be struck.
    
    Frankly, I doubt the case could be made, but escalate through to VMS
    Product Management, with estimated volumes etc.
    
    
    IT WOULD BE MUCH CHEAPER TO BUY VAXSTATIONS AND DECWINDOWS AND USE THE
    BOOKREADER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    - Andy ��� Leslie
      VMS CSSE Newbury
1959.5BLUMON::QUODLINGOooooh, Nice Software....Sat Dec 23 1989 22:359
        Or if it just one or two volumes out of the VMS Doc Kit that they
        want then they will probably find  that they can order those
        manuals individually direct from SSB or DECDirect. I have ordered
        one-of manuals of a set in the past, without any heartache.
        
        Can you determine which manuals they want and how many?
        
        q
        
1959.6they'll be bigger...MAXDOG::kittellRichard - Architected Info MgmtTue Dec 26 1989 10:485
   Remember to mention to them that they won't get double-sided
printing, hence any manual they choose to print will be twice as large
and heavy as one from SSB. Okay, maybe not exactly twice, because
laser-printer paper isn't as heavy as that used to print manuals, but
twice the pages, anyway.
1959.7LPS20 prints on both sides...OSLACT::OLAVDo it in parallel!Thu Dec 28 1989 04:5710
>   Remember to mention to them that they won't get double-sided
>printing, hence any manual they choose to print will be twice as large
>and heavy as one from SSB. Okay, maybe not exactly twice, because
>laser-printer paper isn't as heavy as that used to print manuals, but
>twice the pages, anyway.

The LPS20 prints on both sides. You can also print several logical pages on a
single physical sheet. So you may end up with half as many pages...

Olav
1959.8What about the legal side?MAPROP::MKINGWill it fit on my desk?Fri Dec 29 1989 12:4411
Since Digital holds that copyright on the VMS doc set, how does this customer
intend to pay for the reproduction of the information.  If that company intends
to just print them off, this is analogous to xerographically reproducing the
manual.  While the copying of documentation does happen on a small scale, the
customer is violating copyright laws of the United States.  However, there is
another side to this cloud.  There may still be a royalty program for the
customer to pay for the right to reproduce the copyrighted material at a reduced
cost (like maybe 25% of list) for any large quantity copies.  Have the account
rep talk to the ops or licensing specialist in your geography.

Mark King