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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1816.0. "Install DECwindows 5.2 and NOT re-install VMS?" by PEACHS::BELDIN () Wed Nov 29 1989 19:31

	Is there a way install DECwindows (V1.0 - the one that comes bundled
	with VMS 5.2) *without* re-installing VMS 5.2? Weird question? 
	Consider the following:

	Customer installs VMS 5.2 on a virgin system and says "no" to the 
	question about installing DECwindows.  He later decides that he
	indeed really needs it and tries to do a VMSINSTAL DECW052 from the
	tape media.  Which he can't because there is no DECW052.* on 
	the first tape of the distribution media and the second tape
	(w/ standalone backup and DECwindows) doesn't have a DECW052.A
	saveset.   The only 'supported' method of getting this installed
	seemed to be to perform the *painful* task of performing an 
	UPGRADE.  The Installation and Upgrade Guide doesn't even mention
	how to install DECwindows separately and there is nothing to warn
	you that you will have to perform an upgrade if you *forget* to
	install DECwindows... 

	This didn't seem to bother the customer too much, as long as it
	works, but is there another method?  It would seem to me to be 
	a MAJOR oversight if you are not able to re-install DECwindows 
	without installing all of VMS.  What about large clusters that
	suddenly want to become LAVCs? Why the change from VMS 5.1 where
	DECwindows was it's own saveset?

	Rick Beldin
                           
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1816.1CSC32::VICKREYIF(i_think) THEN(i_am) ELSE(stop)Wed Nov 29 1989 20:245
As documented on pages 3-4 and 8-8 of the v5.2 Upgrade and Installation
Procedures manual, run SYS$UPDATE:DECW$TAILOR.EXE.  To install DECwindows you
will have to have the distribution media available.

Susan
1816.2It's amazing how many times this has been askedJAMMER::JACKMarty JackThu Nov 30 1989 10:000
1816.3PEACHS::BELDINThu Nov 30 1989 10:0233
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>As documented on pages 3-4 and 8-8 of the v5.2 Upgrade and Installation
>Procedures manual, run SYS$UPDATE:DECW$TAILOR.EXE.  To install DECwindows you
>will have to have the distribution media available.


Sure enough, buried in the section labelled "Removing Unwanted Files" they
tell you about DECW$TAILOR.  That is certainly where *I* would look when I
want to find out about how to ADD files to the system. :-} 
There is also a one-liner on page 2-9 that says:

	You can provide DECwindows support now, or you can use the
	DECW$TAILOR utility to provide or remove DECwindows support
	after the installation.

Now that I know what to look for, I can find all the information I want. I
would suggest two things:

	o the installation itself tell the person that "If you don't add 
	  DECwindows NOW, you will have to run DECW$TAILOR later to 
	  add the files. See section blah"

	o there be a separate section entitle "Adding Needed Files or 
	  Installing DECwindows After the initial installation"

I don't believe that the documentation is adquate, especially the since the 
method of installing DECwindows has changed so dramatically from one release
of VMS to another.   It seems that this should EMPHASIZED as a DIFFERENCE
between this version and earlier versions of DECwindows.

My 2�... 'Nuff said...

Rick