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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1759.0. "Factory Installed VMS" by DUB02::ESBECK (Dec Van Esbeck) Fri Nov 17 1989 12:30

    How big is the factory installed version of VMS which is supplied
    with the MicroVAX 3100?
    
    A customer has informed me that having purchased one of these systems
    he only has about 25MB remaining on his system disk??? ie
    VMS/DECWindows is occupying 75MB+
    
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1759.1BLUMON::QUODLINGOooooh, Nice Software....Mon Nov 20 1989 09:578
        What factory installed system? You don't mean Desktop VMS do you?
        You (and your customer) have read the documentation about
        tailoring systems. I seem to remember seeing caveats in the 3100
        announcement saying that there is not much space for anything else
        on a RZ23 (105Mb) disk...
        
        q
        
1759.2STAR::MCLEMANJeff McLeman, VMS DevelopmentMon Nov 20 1989 11:253
The MicroVAX 3100 (not the VAXstation 3100) that is built in Ayr Scotland
has a minimal prebuilt VMS on it. This was an undertaking by the mfg
plant, and not us.
1759.3KIPPIS::PEURAPekka Peura, CSG-HelsinkiMon Nov 20 1989 15:2615
    The amount of disk required for for VMS, is very much affected
    by the space taken for pagefile, swapfile and dumpfile. 
    
    But given the defaults, and a 16MB+ system, more that 75 MB
    for VMS and DECwindows, sounds about normal to me.
    
    If you want to check do $purge and $anal/disk/rep to the system disk.
    
    	Pekka
    
    p.s. If you want to conserve disk space don't install the whole
    decwindows kit.
    
    
    	
1759.4TAGART::SCOTTAlan Scott @AYOTue Nov 21 1989 06:2557
    As .3 says, the amount of memory on the system makes a difference.
    But, in general, there isn't too much room left on an RZ23.   Most
    systems have two, minimum.
    
    Clarifications to .2
    
    >    has a minimal prebuilt VMS...
    
    The VMS is actually a full VMS system, pre-configured to force the
    customer through some installation dialogue at first power-up time.
    At the request of VMS Product Management (through the MV3100 product
    phase review) the MV3100 has full DECwindows installed.    This can be
    de-installed as required using the tailoring dialogue DECW$TAILOR.COM. 
   
    >   This was an undertaking by the mfg plant, and not us.

    Factory Installed Software (FIS) is a worldwide program in
    manufacturing, controlled for new products (like MV3100) through the
    product phase review process, involving VMS, SSB, etc.   For some
    existing products in Europe, there's a steering team coordinating FIS
    on low-end and high-end products in cooperation with European Customer
    Services and ESSB.   There's no intention to conflict with the
    corporate CD-ROM strategy - FIS gives some complementary features in
    the area of first-time installation.   
    
    Customers using FIS systems still have to buy distribution kits, though
    they may be able to reduce the number of kits bought. 
    
    MV3100 ships from Ayr in Scotland, Westfield in the US, and there are
    plans to ship from Kanata in Canada also. 

    The contents of FIS software configurations are described to the
    customer (for European systems, anyway) on an A4-size customer
    information sheet.   Tailoring, backup and other options are described
    in the power-on dialogue and in the system documentation.
                                                                      
    There's also a feedback questionnaire which customers or DEC
    installation engineers can return, to show comments.   Most feedback
    has been positive, though there has been some comment on loading
    DECwindows onto MicroVAX systems.   Current policy is that it makes
    sense to do this - tailoring off is faster than trying to "tailor
    on" later from distribution kits.
    
    FIS has been discussed in two or three notes conferences (VMSNOTES,
    European Installation Quality, etc).   There'll be a European Sales
    Update article shortly.
    
    I'll be happy to respond further on FIS if required, but I don't
    monitor this conference regularly (my DECwindows workstation works
    fine!).    Please mail me copies, if you add comments on FIS here. 
    
    Thanks,
    
    Alan Scott,
    European LES Technology, (Factory Installed Software development),
    Ayr, Scotland.
    DTN 823-3281.   TAGART::SCOTT.
1759.5TAGART::SCOTTAlan Scott @AYOWed Nov 22 1989 04:2310
>    MV3100 ships from Ayr in Scotland, Westfield in the US, and there are
>    plans to ship from Kanata in Canada also. 
       
       VMS FIS also comes on VAX 6xxx from Galway, Ireland, VS31xx from Ayr,
    and MV2000 from Ayr, (if there's a disk large enough to hold it - small
    paging disks are excluded).   There are plans to ship VS31xx from
    Valbonne in France, soon. 
    
       Galway ships software pre-installed on a custom basis, on other
    high-end systems, if they're part of large orders.