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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1344.0. "Pop-off menus revisited" by ULTRA::WRAY (John Wray, Secure Systems Development) Wed Aug 30 1989 16:20

    Has there been any progress on the pop-up menu popping up off-screen
    bug?  If a fix isn't on the way, applications can put in kludges to fix
    the problem (eg putting No-op 'rungs' in every pop-up, so that it can
    be moved vertically to get at off-screen buttons, or resetting the
    menu-history each time it's brought up), but every method I can think
    of seems to violate the style-guide.
    
    John

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1344.1KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqWed Aug 30 1989 19:238
Similar problems (but without the sort of workarounds you mentioned)
occur in pullrights, which can wander both off the right edge and off
the bottom edge with no way out!

This is a serious flaw in DECwindows.

	paul

1344.2Hasn't changedLEOVAX::TREGGIARIThu Aug 31 1989 08:584
    FYI; this has not changed for DECwindows V2.
    
    Leo

1344.3Scroll menu & tear-off menus..TALLIS::ZANZERKIAThu Aug 31 1989 11:1619
    Also,
    	How about adding vertical scrolling in pulldown menus. (ie. MAC
    style). When there are too many items in the menu you get a DOWN arrow
    as the last item in the menu then if user move pointer past the bottom
    it scrolls up and put's UP arrow as 1st item in the pulldown menu.
    
    	Better alternate is tear-off menus. Before pulling down the menu
    if you press a modifier key (ALT or CTL etc.) you get a ractangle
    outline of the menu which you can move around the screen. This way i can 
    pick a menu and place it somewhere on the screen which does not occlude my 
    work area. They recommand this mostly for pallette type menus (i.e fill
    patterns).
    
    	Does this create some kind of "look & feel" conflict with Apple ?
    If not then it gives user the choice of positioning the menu rather
    than application deciding it.
    
    Robert

1344.4ULTRA::WRAYJohn Wray, Secure Systems DevelopmentThu Aug 31 1989 11:369
    Those are nice ideas, but the most important thing to get right is to
    prevent the toolkit from _EVER_ bringing up a menu with some of the
    options off-screen.  Default positions should be calculated, taking the
    screen boundaries into account.  The user-override options you suggest
    would be nice, but even with those, if a menu (any menu) ever appears
    off-screen, there's something wrong.
    
    Any comment from the developers?

1344.5LEOVAX::TREGGIARIThu Aug 31 1989 11:587
This discussion took place a couple of months ago in this notes file or
maybe DECWINDOWS_PROGRAMMING.  Nothing has changed on the toolkit side
except that Motif is now our highest priority (and Motif fixes this
problem...).

Leo