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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1334.0. "Alternate Pointing Devices" by LEDS::ENGELSON (Gary S. Engelson) Tue Aug 29 1989 17:23

I am working on a project requiring a sophisticated novice interface.
DECwindows seems a natural choice for many reasons.  However, the system
being constructed will have to go into a manufacturing environment, where
there is little or no space for a mouse.  Are there other pointing
devices supported either directly or indirectly within the company, and
within the DECwindows environment?

If this has been addressed anywhere else in the conference, a pointer to
the topic(s) will suffice, but several directory and keyword searches
turned up only Topic 886.*.  I will follow up on that lead in any case.

--Gary

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1334.1Trackball?CPDW::ROSCHRay Rosch VRO6-2/B6 273.5710Wed Aug 30 1989 09:552
    Why not use a Trackball?

1334.2KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqWed Aug 30 1989 19:209
Perhaps the question is whether there are any trackballs supported
by DECwindows.

Good question...  I remember Atlant Schmidt interfaced a trackball to 
a DEC workstation once, but that was done by using some of the guts
of a VSXXX mouse as adapter.  Not the optimal answer.

	paul

1334.3When mice turn into UFOs...SUBWAY::GRAHAMif ya want home cookin, stay homeWed Aug 30 1989 22:0112
    
    In a manufacturing floor, pointing devices could become "unidentified
    flying objects" ;-)  (espcially during labor scuffles or disputes).
    We had an "electrician union hide customer's mice  because of
    some misunderstanding between management and union!
    
    In addition to the other replies, why not investigate using Motif,
    an environment where a robust keyboard/pointing device can replace
    the mouse.
    
    Kris....

1334.4Look in back issues of DR and DNLBDUCK::SCHOELLERWho's on first?Wed Aug 30 1989 22:037
I vaguely remember reading about a trackball quite a while ago.  It was in one
of those 2 paragons of accuracy _Digital_Review_ or _Digital_News_.  The article
described a trackball that was plug compatible for the DECstandard Mouse and
had 3 buttons.

Dick

1334.5Trackball/SpaceballLDPMAX::gabrielLDP Technical Consulting GroupThu Aug 31 1989 10:1815

At SIGGRAPH this year, there was an ISV who
had used a trackball/spaceball on a VAXstation 3520
I believe.  I think the name of the company that makes the
trackball/spaceball is Spacial Systems.  There phone
number is:

	(508) 369-8588




/Joe

1334.6Trackball from Itac Systems Inc.SANCHO::PHOENIXthis space available...Thu Aug 31 1989 11:3132
    The 6-FEB-1989 issue of Digital News contained an article on a
    Digital-compatible trackball manufactured by Itac Systems Inc of
    Garland, Texas.  To quote:

	"The device has three user-definable buttons that surround the
	trackball.  A fourth toggle button on the sloped portion of the
	wrist pad controls the speed of the cursor in a 4:1 ratio.

	"Mouse-Trak is priced at $179 for Digital computers.  Models for
	Sun Microsystems Inc., Apollo and IBM machines are also available.

	"Itac Systems Inc., 3121 Benton St., Garland, Texas 75042,
	(214)494-3073 or (800)533-4822."

    We purchased three units from Itac in March for testing purposes and
    have found them to be a very good substitute for a mouse.  They are about
    4" x 8" (10.5cm x 20cm) and have the standard Digital mouse pin
    connector.  We've used it on workstations and VAXmates without any
    trouble - they're great on a limited-area desktop (like mine ;^) or on
    the shop-floor (which is where we intend to use them when -and if- we get
    workstations down there).  Also, the buttons are assignable via jumpers
    (i.e., button #2 can be assigned to act as #3 and vice versa) or you
    can disconnect a button.

    Hope you find this helpful...


Gary Phoenix
TFO (Thin Film Media)
Tempe, AZ
(602)894-5607

1334.7PRAVDA::JACKSONKing CynicTue Sep 05 1989 10:119
There's also Evergreen Systems in California (don't remember where, but
it's one of the big cities) that makes a trackball that is 
compaible with the DEC corporate mouse.  I've used it on both DECwindows
and UIS with no problems.



-bill

1334.8Evergreen Trackball infoSTAR::KAPLANRunning w/the blade guards disengaged.Tue Sep 05 1989 10:3820
    
    I did some extensive testing of the Evergreen Trackball within the VMS
    Development group and found it to be functionally equivalent to the
    corporate mouse for all DECwindows applications.  
    
    In brief, we found that while mechanics of the trackball we quite good,
    the ergonomics were so-so.  Many people like it for the reduced
    real-estate space on the desk and the lack of "sticking" (from dirt or
    poor desk surfaces).  Under some circumstance it is easier to use the
    mouse, but for most applications the trackball works just as well.
    
    The trackball evaluated was made by Evergreen Systems Intn'l.
    818-991-7835 and will plug compatible with the corporate mouse. I
    believe they make a tempest version as well.
    
    If you need the technical specs or additional info, send mail.
    
    -jonathan
    

1334.9VSXXX-AB bitpadPDVAX::P_DAVISPeter DavisTue Sep 12 1989 14:5011
    There is also a bitpad available from Digital which plugs into the
    mouse jack.  It's the VSXXX-AB, and can be used with either a 4 button
    cursor (the first 3 buttons cororespond to MB1, MB2, and MB3), or with
    a two button stylus.
    
    For drawing applications, etc., the bitpad is a hell of a lot easier to
    use than a mouse.  For mundane menu selection, etc., the mouse is
    probably easier.
    
    -pd

1334.10KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqFri Sep 15 1989 15:539
If you do use the bitpad, watch out for the fact that you get distortion.
An inch on the pad won't be an inch on the screen, and an inch horizontally
won't be an inch vertically.

I found this out the hard way, tracing a complex picture -- having been
warned earlier and forgetting all about it.  :-{

	paul