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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1198.0. "Running DW apps from a SERVER box?" by POBOX::KOCH (No matter where you go, there you are.) Fri Jul 28 1989 16:12

    I can't quite seem to find an answer for this, and maybe it's
    very straightforward and I'm just not clued in, but here's the
    scenario:                
                             
                             
    Customer wants to boot VS3100's (with local page & swap disks) from
    a 3600 SERVER.  Because we are trying to keep costs down the
    workstations are configured with 8MB of memory, which is a bit on
    the light side when it comes to running DECwrite.  The question
    is; Can we run DECwrite on the 3600 (with the appropriate # of
    licenses) with output to the ws servers?  Or, is this a business
    practices issue where the client machine will have to be a time-share
    box (SET HOST... etc).  I have heard of instances where layered
    products were submitted as jobs on the server.  Is this possible
    in the DECwindows world?  Any info, pointers, etc. appreciated.         

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1198.1PSW::WINALSKIMeetings are our most important productSat Jul 29 1989 22:189
Submitting this batch job on the 3600 ought to work:

	$ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANS=DECNET/NODE=ws::
	$ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECWRITE

where "ws" is the node name for the workstation.

--PSW

1198.2PRAVDA::JACKSONElect Bill Jackson, Newton Ward 1 AldermanMon Jul 31 1989 09:3110
Remember, the 3600 has the same CPU power as the workstation, so 
more than one DECwrite job is likely to cause your server to page like
crazy (unless it has 64MB of memory) and is also likely to perform
slowly.

DECwrite (as many compount document editors) takes a lot of resources


-bill

1198.3Be CarefulWAV14::SLATTERYMon Jul 31 1989 13:0465
    
    Be careful, you may end up with an unhappy customer.  As the attached
    note states, the licensing people don't know how to deal with this
    issue and are therefore sitting on the fence for an undetermined
    amount of time.  I have not seen the official DECwrite SPD so I
    don't know how it is handling this issue.
    
    Regards and good luck 
    
    Ken Slattery
    
         <<< YUPPIE::DUA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SOFTWARE_LICENSING.NOTE;34 >>>
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Note 33.0            SPD's and use in a client/server model.             1 reply
NOHOPE::GALLOZZI                                     45 lines  21-JUN-1989 13:17
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                                Date: June 21, 1989
To: Software Product Managers   From: Carl Gallozzi
                                Dept: OS/Software Business Group
                                Loc : ZK01-3/J33
                                Net : Blumon:://Nohope::

Subject:  Software Product Descriptions and client/server computing model

Background:
-----------
Many Digital software products are being produced to work within the
client/server model.  The general software license business rules pertaining
to this area have not as yet been finalized.  The current general rules
are that - a VMS based VAXserver system is shipped with a VMS File and
Application Server license which through terms and conditions has an
intent of allowing no interactive 'log ons'.  One current interpretation of
this intent is that VAXservers allow no interactive log ons, no screens being
driven by VAXservers [screens DEC/X window terminals being classified as
'users']. The situation is essentially similiar for Ultrix based VAXservers.
This situation is currently under review.


Immediate Problem:
------------------
New applications such as DECwrite V1.0 and others wish to properly grant
rights for use in a client/server model, and delineate them within the
product SPD.

Request:
--------
That, for a short time period until a global policy can be agreed upon,  no
software product explicitly specify support for the product's use as 'either
a client or server' upon a VAXserver or VAXstation.  All other references
to supported VAX cpus can and should be made. This ambiguity will
accomplish at least two things:
          
        .  It will allow the creation of the SPD and shipment to proceed.
        .  It will not preclude any policy options that Digital may wish to
            consider.

Carl Gallozzi
OS/Software Business Group
6/21/89
[EOB
    

1198.4JAMMER::JACKMarty JackMon Jul 31 1989 15:582
    DECwrite is user licensed, so it is a quite different animal.

1198.5Memory hog vs CPU pigPOBOX::KOCHNo matter where you go, there you are.Tue Aug 08 1989 16:427
   RE .2
    After talking to some folks who had done some DECWRITE benchmarking;
    It seems that DECWRITE is more of a memory hog than CPU pig.  Rule
    of thumb is currently 2MB for each DECWRITE user, with 1MB for each
    extra 100 document pages.  So it seems that a 16MB 3600 could support
    6-7 users.                

1198.6DECwrite runs better on large shared memory systems.DWOVAX::YOUNGin the iron grip of bureaucracyWed Aug 09 1989 03:497
    My observations have been similar.
    
    Additionally, I have observed that 25-50% of DECwrites working set is
    global, so some economies of scale can be had.
    
    --  barry