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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:	DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:	See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:	STAR::VATNE

Created:	Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:	Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	3726
Total number of notes:	19516

1103.0. "14mb VS2000 crashes when Windows starts" by KCBBQ::TERRY () Thu Jul 13 1989 00:07

    
    
    
    	I NEED HELP!
    
    	I have a virgin VS2000/gpx that is LAVC with a 3600. We
    	have had DECW051 installed under VMS 5.1-B on the 3600 for
    	quite a while. My problem is that I recently clustered
    	the "2000" using local page and swap files (35000,12000
    	blocks respectively). The cluster formed fine, but when I
    	start DECWindows my system boots without ANY trace. I let
    	DECWindows autogen the MV2000 parameters without any
    	complaints but the system still boots upon startup of
    	windows.
    
    	After thinking I had a corrupted driver somewhere, I obtained
    	a known good copy and re-installed without a hitch. After
    	getting a terminal window for a few minutes, doing plain
    	DCL commands (i.e., sh def, dir, etc.), I finally bugchecked
    	with a complaint in the DUMP file of BUGCHECK IN KERNAL MODE,
    	however, the dump file was not completely written.
    
    	After, restarting windows, I started getting system boots
    	right after the DECW$SERVER_MAIN gets fired off. From then
    	on, I never got the windows up at all. It just boots at various
    	stages of the startup sequence. DECnet was already up and 
    	appeared fine. Removing the windows from the startup and 
    	running it from my account yields the same behavior.
    
    	The system is configured as follows:
    
    	MV2000 with a color VR290
    	14MB Mem.
    	1 RD-54 (containing the local page and swap files)
    	No load device (hence the need to cluster)
    
    	I had field service diagnose the HELL out of it with
    	all tests indicating a good system.
    
    	I realize that I'm new at windows, but this has me
    	stumped! Am I stupid, or is there anything down deep 
    	that I overlooked? Any help would be GREATLY apprciated!
    
    	I have a monochrome VS2000 on the same cluster with exact 
    	same problem. It is configured exactly the same as the 
    	color box
    
    	Thanks in advance for any help
    	
    	Brian Terry
    	KCBBQ::TERRY
    	DTN 452-3568

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1103.1		LESLIE::LESLIE	andy �� leslie	`Thu Jul 13 1989 00:36`	11
	This is a VERY WAG. What HW version of the CPU do you have? If it is pre-V1.2, then it won't support 14mb. This might cause the problems you describe. Not having manuals or anything with me at home, can't remember which TEST it is, but at the >>> prompt, typ TEST 53 (I think) which shows the config. - ��
1103.2		LESLIE::LESLIE	andy �� leslie	`Thu Jul 13 1989 00:38`	5
	By the way, as a Moderator of DECWINDOWS, I've changed the title of this topic to something a little more meaningful than "Need help bad". - ��
1103.3	Check the memory board too	LINNHE::SYSTEM	A wave without a shore ...	`Thu Jul 13 1989 05:17`	8
	Check the memory board in the VS2000 too. Some people in my group have had similar problems with machines stack dumping for no good reason. This is more fully gone into in the MICROVAX notesfile on TURRIS but I forget the note id. Martin
1103.4	T 50 on VS2000	RWCVAX::COULSON	Roger Coulson - SASE(System and Support Engineering)	`Thu Jul 13 1989 10:39`	7
	TEST 50 will yield the hardware facts about the system including the version of the firmware on the VS2000. /s/ Roger
1103.5		STAR::MCLEMAN	There can only be but one...	`Thu Jul 13 1989 10:51`	6
	To run the 12 meg memory card, you must have a minimum of V2.2 of the system firmware. Like stated before, this has been covered in detail in TURRIS::MICROVAX. Please check there for more info. Jeff
1103.6	HAVE THE RIGHT REVS.	KCBBQ::TERRY		`Thu Jul 13 1989 17:13`	16
	Both systems have the proper firmware and VMS show memory does recognize all the memory. I am still at a loss as to how something seemingly easy is acting so strange Thanks, Brian Terry
1103.7		LESLIE::LESLIE	andy �� leslie	`Thu Jul 13 1989 18:59`	5
	Got any 4mb boards around? Swap one for a 12mb board and see what happens. Andy_who_could_"see"_all_memory_too.
1103.8	Please check the .5 reference	AGBEAR::HORNER	A.G.Bear, Low tech teddy bear	`Sat Jul 15 1989 09:18`	10
	Please read the microvax note mentioned in .5. There were problems with early rev A2 12MB boards that would crash the VAX when memory references went above the 10MB mark. Not all 12MB boards were affected however, only those with certain chips. The microvax note tells how to identify these boards with the affected chips, and then have Field Service check your boards. Your problems are the classic symptoms of having one of these boards. Dave
1103.9	I think I got it figured out	KCBBQ::TERRY		`Mon Jul 17 1989 10:28`	14
	After doing some checking...it seems that Both systems have the bogus 12MB boards. I appreciate the help, you all pointed me in the right direction and helped me discover information regarding these boards. Thanks!!! BT
1103.10	VS2000 decwindow crash, but not memory board	TOHOKU::TAYLOR		`Thu Dec 14 1989 16:55`	9
	We have a VS 2000 that also crashes after the decwindows background is put up but before the digital logo. But we know it is not the recent memory upgrade, we connected another system disk to successfully boot the same system. ideas? thanks, mike
1103.11		STAR::MCLEMAN	Jeff McLeman, VMS Development	`Thu Dec 14 1989 17:27`	1
	Have you autogen'd?
1103.12	autogen did not help	TOHOKU::TAYLOR		`Thu Dec 14 1989 20:23`	6
	tried autogen a couple of times, including without the old modparams.dat that worked in 5.2/1.0. The DECW$server*.log are empty, and DECW$SM.LOG is not created. mike