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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1092.0. "DECW$MAIL: VMSmail Equivalent?" by JENEVR::CRONLAND () Tue Jul 11 1989 16:37

    I would like to be able to mail a DDIF file using DECwindows Mail
    from DCL, similar to VMSmail:
    
    $mail/sub="Monthly Penetration" act_vs_req.chart @ne_reg_sales_mgr.dis
    
    Can this be done?
    
    I'm using Builder in DECdecision to send a completed chart off to
    a distribution list.  Since DECwindows mail is not yet an integrated
    application, a DCL string is required.
    
    Any ideas?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Lori
    

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1092.1STAR::MFOLEYRebel without a ClueTue Jul 11 1989 17:405
	"DECwindows mail is not an integrated product" Huh??  It mails DDIF
	files..

							mike

1092.2GOSOX::RYANDECwindows MailTue Jul 11 1989 17:598
	Yes, not "integrated" with what? 

	DECwindows Mail does not have a DCL command. The exact DCL
	command you gave as an example, however, will do exactly what
	you want, using VMSmail to send the file.

	Mike

1092.3MU::PORTERRightward Ho!Tue Jul 11 1989 19:543
and before anyone asks... Nmail can cope with DDIF, as long as
you have Nmail V9.1.

1092.4RAB::PRINCIPIOThe Road Kill GrillWed Jul 12 1989 08:507
    Re: .1,.2

    Lori means to say that DECwindows Mail is not integrated with DECdecision
    Builder.

    Tracy

1092.5GOSOX::RYANDECwindows MailWed Jul 12 1989 10:576
	If DECdecision Builder needs any help integrating DECwindows Mail,
	let me know. I haven't seen DECdecision, so I don't know what's
	necessary (or exactly what "integrated" means)...

	Mike

1092.6More InfoJENEVR::CRONLANDWed Jul 12 1989 12:3836
    Thanks Tracy, yes I did mean the Builder component of DECdecision.
    Builder allows you to record repetitive keystrokes of integrated
    (conforming) applications to playback at a later date.  Conforming
    applications for V1.0 of DECdecision includes each of its' components:
    DECdecision Access, DECdecision Calc, DECchart, and embedded Builder
    blueprints.  A blueprint is a revisable visual diagram of the recorded
    steps.
    
    Non-conforming applications can be added to the blueprint, but only
    to the extent you must provide a DCL invocation string.
    
    I have found that sending a chart (DDIF) file through VMSmail send only
    data contained in the Chart.  The text of my mail message would read
    "New Hampshire010 040Rhode Island3241".  What I would prefer to have
    the actually DECchart DDIF file sent.  Of course the person would then 
    need to extract the contents of the mail message into DDIF file in 
    order to view it through the DDIF viewer or DECchart.
    
    I believe DECwindows mail will be a "conforming" application in a later 
    release of DECdecision.  At that time I will be able to access mail 
    and it will record mail commands into my blueprint. 
    
    So even if I can automate accessing the data, manipulating and charting
    in DECchart, sending the DDIF file through mail will require the user
    to actually enter DECwindows mail and send it manually.  Since if
    I send it using VMSmail via a DCL string, it doesn't send the DDIF file?
    
    I guess the question should now be, "Should I be able to mail a DDIF 
    file using VMSmail?" 
    
    Thanks,
    
    Lori
 
    

1092.7JAMMER::JACKMarty JackWed Jul 12 1989 12:543
    Sounds like the RMS filter is getting invoked.  Would SEND/FOREIGN
    help?

1092.8Thank youJENEVR::CRONLANDWed Jul 12 1989 12:5514
    I've been informed that, yes, VMSmail does send the DDIF file
    correctly.  When you look at the text portion of your mail message, 
    it appears as though only the text of the file was sent.  After you
    extract, the file should contain all the control characters.  I want
    to check this out again.  I thought when I had tried to extract and 
    use the file in DECchart, it didn't work.  
    
    See note 188.1 and 188.2 in the DECdecision notes conference for
    more information on mailing CDA files.
    
    Thanks for all your input.
    
    Lori

1092.9I'll check this out.JENEVR::CRONLANDWed Jul 12 1989 12:596
    Thanks Marty - I'll check this out when I'm back in the office. 
    Perhaps that is why I wasn't able to just extract and use the file on
    the receiving end.
    
    - Lori

1092.10JAMMER::JACKMarty JackWed Jul 12 1989 17:384
    I think you have to use EXTRACT/FOREIGN from character cell mail. 
    DECwindows Mail knows to create a DDIF document.  It's on the work list
    for character cell mail, but I don't know what release it will be in.