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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

1083.0. "With DECwrite, no other jobs run" by DELNI::GOLDSTEIN (We await silent Tristero's entry) Mon Jul 10 1989 17:32

    When I run DECwrite and simultaneously try to run any other application
    (using the VUE Applications drop-down), or do the converse (try and
    bring up DECwrite with anything else, like Mail, running), the new task
    goes into "pending" state and won't run.  DECwrite seems to eat all of
    some quota or other.  The system is a 16 Meg GPX.  Here is my
    authorization record from the UAF -- any ideas?  Might the SYSGEN
    parameters be doing it?
    
    (Sorry if this was covered elsewhere -- it's a big conference. 
    Pointers appreciated.)
          fred
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Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:        30  Bytlm:         8192
Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0
Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:        18  JTquota:       8192
Prclm:          10  DIOlm:        18  WSdef:         1024
Prio:            4  ASTlm:        24  WSquo:         2048
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1083.1STAR::MFOLEYRebel without a ClueMon Jul 10 1989 18:0610

	You could stand to use more bytlm (32768 is what I have), increase
	your WSextent to something bigger. (I have 16384), maybe a little
	more FILLM (100), and I bumped my ASTLM and ENQLM up to 100 and
	650 respectivly but I can't remember what for..

							mike
					(former DELNI system manager) :-)

1083.2Here's a startSEWANE::MASSEYI left my heart in Software Services.Tue Jul 11 1989 00:5815
While setting up a demo account on a 16 Meg VAXstation 3100, I played
around with the account parameters until I got one of every OOTB
application to come up from VUE, along with a couple of file operations.  I
realize these aren't the size of DECwrite, but it should give you a start:

Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:        50  Bytlm:        60000
Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0
Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:        48  JTquota:       1024
Prclm:          10  DIOlm:        38  WSdef:          512
Prio:            4  ASTlm:        60  WSquo:         1024
Queprio:         0  TQElm:        10  WSextent:      4096
CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:       100  Pgflquo:      40960

Steve

1083.3We don't supply release notes for our health...STAR::FERGUSONJim Ferguson - VMS DevelopmentTue Jul 11 1989 11:259
Either the release notes or the user's guide states that you
need 5000 BYTLM per VUE task.  I also think it say something
about 32000 is recommended.  If you are running applications
remotely you might need to bump your ASTLM up to 100 and bump
your server retry logical name values up too.  This is discussed
in a previous note.

Jim

1083.4PSW::WINALSKICareful with that VAX, EugeneWed Jul 12 1989 15:578
RE: .1

You don't need WSEXTENT as obscenely high as 16384.  I run 5 DECterms, DECwrite,
DECwindows NOTES, DECwindows MAIL, CardFiler, XPostit, Fish, Calendar,
Bookreader, and Kaleidoscope simultaneously with a WSEXTENT of 6000.

--PSW

1083.5AITG::DERAMODaniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'EramoWed Jul 12 1989 17:5814
	Re .4:

>>RE: .1
>>
>>You don't need WSEXTENT as obscenely high as 16384.  I run 5 DECterms, DECwrite,
>>DECwindows NOTES, DECwindows MAIL, CardFiler, XPostit, Fish, Calendar,
>>Bookreader, and Kaleidoscope simultaneously with a WSEXTENT of 6000.
>>
>>--PSW

	Wow!  How did you get an 8800 in your office!

	Dan

1083.6PSW::WINALSKICareful with that VAX, EugeneThu Jul 13 1989 19:158
RE: .5

I didn't.  This all runs quite well on a 13 meg VAXstation-II/GPX.  The 
changes to modified page management in VMS V5.2 helped a lot.  Before that, I
had to run CW's FREEMEM program every now and then.

--PSW

1083.7minor progressDELNI::GOLDSTEINWe await silent Tristero's entryFri Jul 14 1989 14:019
    Okay, I appreciate that somebody's GPX is doing wonders, but at this
    point I'm able to run DECwrite, Bookreader and one DECterm, but Mail or
    Clock goes pending.  ASTLM is at 60, ENQLM at 100, TQElm at 16, BYTLM
    at 60000 (!) and FILLM at 50.  So something is still limiting me pretty
    badly.  BTW it's not the timers, since the system is self-contained.
    
    Progress, but slowly...
         fred

1083.8PSW::WINALSKICareful with that VAX, EugeneFri Jul 14 1989 16:406
RE: .7

What value do you have for page file quota?

--PSW

1083.9ran out of mailbox quotaDELNI::GOLDSTEINWe await silent Tristero's entryFri Jul 14 1989 16:4710
    We found the problem.  Page file quota was plenty large (30000, I
    think).  However, the MODPARAMS.DAT file contained a value (4096) for
    DEFMBXQUOTA!  This was discovered by a very helpful person who chooses
    not to be named here... that parameter shouldn't be set, so we let it
    do a new AUTOGEN sequence and all is well.  
    
    The system had been cloned by an RSM load host which may have gotten
    some strange ideas from Interleaf, which seriously broke DECwindows
    when I converted it over from VWS and "virtual DECwindows".