Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

I thought the cover letter said that you should not attempt to use HPWM
because it is broken.

Sorry.

Hope you'll make a posting when this is fixed. I really miss this WM.

    At least the icon box and session manager windows "remember" what they
    were when last you saved the customizable settings....
    
    - ���

    The server devos fixed the problem today. HPWM is one of the rare
    clients that uses InputOnly windows, and these had been inadvertently
    broken by recent changes. 

    Whew! Glad it was something that simple. Maybe I'll hack up an
    IFT-compatible version, if I can find the time.
    	-Rick

    Great news! Good work, guys.
    
    - ���

>RE:             <<< Note 1031.5 by UFP::MURPHY "Rick - WA1SPT/4" >>>
>
>   Whew! Glad it was something that simple. Maybe I'll hack up an
>   IFT-compatible version, if I can find the time.
>    	-Rick

    Hack attempted. Sorry to say, it was unsucessful. I guess us HPWM users
    will have to wait for FT1.
    	-Rick

Unfortunately, it appears that XRN also has problems with IFT, on 100 dpi
monitors at least.  The problem seems to relate to some bogus font metrics
on the 10-point menu fonts, so you might try specifying different fonts for
the push-buttons.

Burns

    I just put up external FT1 of DECwindows V2 over the weekend, and find
    that I can't get any DECterm windows created when using HPWM.  I can't
    create them interactively from session manager's applications menu, I
    can't autostart any, and CHILD hangs when I try to use it to create
    DECterms.

    Has any one figured out how to create DECterm windows when using HPWM?

    Another interesting item, when using the DECwindows V2 window manager,
    CHILD can't create any DECterm windows until after I've created one
    through the session manager.

    I haven't QARed this yet because of the unsupported nature of CHILD and
    HPWM, but will be glad to if this is meaningful.

                Dave

    re: .-1
    I'm having the same troubles. I did find that if I started the session
    with the DECwindows WM, I could stop that process then start HPWM
    running. However, I wouldn't recommend it, unless you like server
    crashes. As soon as I can figure out something that reproduces the
    crashes, I'm going to QAR.
    	-Rick

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Note 1229.0                   Fixed HPWM for EFT1?                    No replies
ORAN::ORAN "Dave Oran"                                6 lines   3-AUG-1989 15:28
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Does anybody have a fixed version of HPWM for EFT1 of DECwindows V2?

The version I have deterministically crashes when the user or a program
resizes a shell window.

It has also ceased to be able to customize the colors of an icon image.

    Rick Murphy stated in yet another HPWM that there was none available.
    
    In that note, Bob Messenger stated that the problems are related to
    input-only windows (?) not being handled properley by the DECterm
    controller.
    
    Apparently QAR'd.
    
    - ���

Re: .12

>    In that note, Bob Messenger stated that the problems are related to
>    input-only windows (?) not being handled properley by the DECterm
>    controller.
    
I think the InputOnly problem has been fixed, so the EFT problem with HPWM
must be something else.  My information about the InputOnly problem is
second hand and I don't know much about it; it was a problem in the server
(I think), not DECterm.

>    Apparently QAR'd.
    
Yes, I've received a couple of QARs about it, but I'm not convinced that it's
a DECterm problem; I just haven't had time to look at it.  If someone else
has something to say about what is happening I'd be interested in hearing it.

				-- Bob

    RE: .13

    This certainly doesn't indicate that DECterm is at fault, but something
    is at least unique about DECterm.  When I put up V2 EFT1 and tried HPWM,
    the DECterm windows were the only ones that I couldn't create.  The ICON
    box window came up, session manager came up, FileView came up, and I also
    got Bookreader, Calendar, XPostit, and Clock.

    I tried creating the DECterm windows four different ways, with autostart,
    from the SM applications menu, with CHILD, and interactively through the
    FileView DCL window.  None of them worked.  All processes trying to
    create the window got hung in LEF state.  Mine is one of the QAR's by
    the way.

                 Dave

    My experience relects those of the author of .14.
    
    - ���

    Using HPWM and DECwindows V2 has two serious problems. First, if it's
    your default WM, you can't create DECterms. Second, resizing windows
    crashes either the server or the window manager, depending on whether
    the server has process dumps enabled.
    
    As I have no details of why these problems occur, I can't work around
    them; it's probably not worth much effort anyway, as Motif is just
    around the corner. And Mwm (the Motif window manager) is so much nicer
    than HPWM...
    
    Waiting for FT2 and hoping these problems are fixed...
    	-Rick

    Rick
    	you say "Motif is just around the corner"; could you give more
    details.... like will it be available on the EasyNet?
    
    - ���

Rick, any news on Mwm?

I use HPwm and like it (except for the bugs mentioned in .15)

John

I've found and fixed the problem in DECterm that prevented it from working
with HPWM in FT1.  DECterm tries to get the titleFont resource from its
shell widget and then calls XQueryFont to find the width of the copyright
message (it chooses the longest copyright message that will fit in the
window).  The problem is that the shell is returning a titleFont of zero,
and DECterm hangs when it calls XQueryFont.  I've put in a test for titleFont
being zero, and now I can create DECterm windows when running HPWM.  Not only
that, but HPWM doesn't crash when I resize a DECterm window.

I'll try to get this change into FT2.

				-- Bob

    Thanks for the description of the problem, Bob. I'll see if I can
    figure out why it's not setting the resouce and fix it.
    	-Rick

Re: .20

I should have mentioned: the shell doesn't return a valid titleFont under
the default window manager, either.  Instead it return a non-zero font ID,
and when I pass this font ID to XQueryFont the font structure comes back as
NULL.  I've left in the code that tries to query the titleFont just in case
this problem gets fixed some day.

				-- Bob

    I've managed to use HPWM as the "default" WM under DECW V2 by adding
    the following line to my DECW$XDEFAULTS.DAT:
    *titleFont:-*-Helvetica-Bold-R-Normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-ISO8859-1
    
    Thanks, Bob, for the detective work!
    	-Rick