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| 931.1 | | VWSENG::KLEINSORGE | Toys 'R' Us | Tue Jun 13 1989 10:42 | 12 |
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My understanding at this time is NO, not in V1 of DECterm. I believe
that the APL group (Karl Puder, I think) has worked out something for
DECterm V2. Try the DECterm notesfile or Bob Messenger. It does work
on VWS, the font is supplied by VAX APL and the emulator knows about
the special APL keyboard.
There is a Unix product that someone in SWS in NY pushes, but we should
try to sell VAX APL on VMS systems... I don't know if they work on
DECwindows yet...
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| 931.2 | a slight difference in opinion | FUEL::graham | If people lead, leaders will follow | Tue Jun 13 1989 12:30 | 34 |
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>there is a Unix product that someone in SWS in NY pushes, but we should
>try to sell VAX APL on VMS systems... I don't know if they work on
>DECwindows yet...
Fred,
you are a good guy ;-)...so I hate to disagree with you...I have to though..
in this instance.
I am aware that the VAX APL folks are very hard workers who want Digital's
interest at heart. Unfortunately Digital has not put enuff funds into
APL development. VAX APL is *very* poor in performance when compared to
what 3rd parties like STSC and IPSharp have to offer.
Our customers are not stupid....they see these things....and that's why we are
receiving many orders for STSC APL on the PMAX (Ultrix)...and the fonts
work perfectly under DECterm.
Go ask the folks at Union Bank of Switzerland or Metropolitan Life Insurance
what they think of VAX/VMS APL.
Once again, this note should not be taken as a spite against our hard-working
friends in the VAX/APL group. Just that the harsh realities of the market
has caught Digital off-gaurd! The PMAX running STSC APL benches close to
a two million dollar IBM 3090/200 running APL!
Yes, the New York team supports products that will leverage sales...and this
is good business for Digital.
Send mail to SUBWAY::TIMMINS (Larry) if you need more info on APL prformance
and capabilities on the PMAX under DECwindows.
Kris...
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| 931.3 | | VWSENG::KLEINSORGE | Toys 'R' Us | Tue Jun 13 1989 14:52 | 15 |
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Hey, I said to go for it on Unix. However, you work for DIGITAL and
unless the customer has asked for brand X, or you know for a fact that
VAX APL will *not* *do* what is required, then you should sell what we
make.
If you have problems selling DIGITAL products (in addition to VMS :-)
then you should let the appropriate people in engineering, product and
marketing management know... but our job *isn't* to sell against
ourselves. Fine, this is "just APL", but what's the difference between
deciding that the Sun workstation is the best product for the customer
instead of a DECstation or VAXstation - would you then become a Sun OEM?
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| 931.4 | No VAX APL, but... | EEMELI::SONKERI | Petri, SWAS/Sw tech, FNO | Wed Jun 14 1989 03:20 | 16 |
| Hey... Stop fighting (Ultrix is best anyway :) ).
I just received more information of the case (which makes this partly
easier and also a lot more complicated). No need for VAX APL, because
they are running APL in an IBM mainframe and want to use it with the 3270
emulator! This is all i know so far.. Any idea whether they have any
hope to use that from a VAX(or DEC)station ? Using DECwindows (VMS?
Ultrix?) or UWS ?
Is it possible to strike to characters on top of each other with a)
DECterm, b) xterm , c) VWS terminal emulator ?
Do we have tools to build/modify font files ?
Petri
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| 931.5 | | VWSENG::KLEINSORGE | Toys 'R' Us | Wed Jun 14 1989 10:01 | 11 |
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No, all ANSI text is written in REPLACE (GXcopy) mode. A overstrike
capability would have to be added for ANSI text. You *could* use
ReGIS, but the speed will not overpower you, and it would be a lot of
work. DECterm (to my knowledge) only supports the TCS set as an
additional font, so I would assume that the brand-X APL is using that
font for APL. I believe that V2 of DECterm will have a APL font
capability (not the APL overstrike set).
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