Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

    Suggest you ask this in the DECTERM conference - locale in note #2.
    
    Andy

This has been mentioned in this conference, but here goes again.


Send VAXMail to Eric (?) Osman (HANNAH::OSMAN) for access to a conference 
on the subject. I cannot say what has or is being done, but your
requirements have been voiced and the issue is being studied.

Just as a hint you might try dir/conf hannah::


	-mdw

    
    DECTERM is not the place to look.

yes, we're doing the TEK 4125 emulation project under DECwindows.

BL1 is for internal-use only, and is available.

We've got a members-only conference (management request) that explains
all.

Send me mail if you'd like to be on it.  I need

o	Your node::username that you'll be accessing from

o	Your real name

Thanks.

/Eric

    Two � issues:
    
    1) DECwindows should also provide a 4014 emulator, either standalone or
       ala the VT240.
    
    2) What is the reasoning behind offering a layered 4125 product that is
       a variant of the same code bundled with UIS?
    
    �) Why does something originally written for VMS *X11* and Ultrix *X11*
       need to be ported to DECwindows?
    
    (and a bonus �)
    
    �) Why don't we include "xterm" with the VMS kit?  It has a 4010/14 in
       addition to a near-VT100?
    

As project leader for DECwindows 4125 emulation project, let me take a dagger
to some of those questions:

o	Why are we planning to sell the DECwindows emulator when the old
	version was supplied as part of the UIS kit ?

	Because we can make more money this way.  The DECwindows version
	will have lots of bug fixes, plus enhancements, plus plans
	for future versions.


o	Why bother to convert it to DECwindows when it already runs
	as an X11 product ?

	Because all DECwindows products have to follow DECwindow Clearinghouse
	rules, including UIL etc.

/Eric

    
    Hmmm.  So, you get a *working* 4125 (in X11) paid for by HPWS (Lynx)
    and the UIS group.  Spend six months *porting* it to follow the DW
    Style Guide and then charge for it?  At the same time, UIS pays for and
    uses the *same* working X11/4125, completely rewrites the graphic backend
    for UIS instead of X, and bundles it on the VWS kit (for *free*).
    
    Since VWS has pledged ongoing support for at least the next 3 years and
    *does* have every intention of enhancing the 4125 and fixing bugs as
    they are reported, and uses the *same* front-end... I have no idea what
    your value added is.
    
    So, DECwindows users *don't* get a 4010/14 (unless they want to port
    xterm) *and* they will *eventually* get the 4125 *but* they have to
    *pay* for it?
    
    Progress.
    
    _Fred (*not* the UIS/TEK project leader, but awfully concerned about
           UIS users who are migrating to DECwindows)

I guess I'm not qualified to really answer your questions about why
customers should pay for our DECwindows Tek 4125 emulator.

I've forwarded .7 to my managers and requested that they read this
conversation and respond (Ed Parsons, Richard Glantz, Peter Conklin are
the managers).

Thanks.

/Eric

    
    I'm just asking the same questions that will be asked by customers.
    Since I'm someplace between VWS and DECwindows (Migration), I get 
    hit with the flak.
    
    If *I* don't have a good answer, I'm stuck with a soft-shoe act or
    telling the truth ("I don't know") - and neither makes me confortable.
    
    

    OK, lemme get this straight:
    
    There's an X11 version of tektronix emulation.  The VWS folks ported
    this to their windowing.  Eric is working on "porting" to DECwindows. 
    I assume this means making it conform to the DECwindows style guide.
    
    Meanwhile, we have people screaming for tektronix emulation on the
    DS3100 now.  We probably also have people screaming for it in the VAX/VMS
    world, but I don't care about them right now.
    
    So, how do we get our hands on a copy of the X11 code?  Does MIT have a
    flavor, is it internal DEC only, or what?  Suppose a customer was
    willing to pay, or agreed to be a field test site, or something like
    that?  This is the USA, can we work something out?
    
    - Greg Scott

    Yes, you have it straight.
    
    I do not know if it is possible to get the "X11" flavor, it was written
    by DEC for the VS8000 (and if I remember right, it was a Ultrix GPX
    that was used by the engineer for development).  Aside from the 4014
    stuff in xterm, I do not believe that there is anything available
    from MIT.  My brief look at the code (in C) looks to be written for
    both VMS and Ultrix.
    
    Since the DECterm people intend to sell the emulator shortly, I doubt
    very much that anyone will be willing to allow the X11 version to be
    released to customers via any means (including ASSETS) and there isn't
    any way that the sources will ever be released (unless we are
    completely insane, it took Andy a lot of work to write).  And since
    I think the Lynx group has been (or is being) dissolved, the DECterm
    group probably owns the source now (don't know), but in any case you
    would need their blessing.
    
    _Fred