Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

The following files show up in the decwrl::/pub/X11.contrib directory:

xconq.pat1.01         -r--r--r--   18-APR-89 15:26:04    58705
xconq.pat1.02         -r--r--r--   18-APR-89 15:26:04    57105
xconq5.tar.Z          -r--r--r--   18-APR-89 15:26:03   375059

I have tested these programs on ULTRIX (VAX) - and they work fine.

							Kris..

(hint - look at the case of my username) 8-) 

RE: .1

	I tried to access the DECWRL files as DECWRL::"/pub/X11/contrib"
and received a list of access violations... Could some kind person
please point me in the direction of the un'tar'd files, or explain how to
access the files directly?  Thanks.

				/Brad

re: .3

Your problem is that you mis-quoted the directory.  To see everything that 
is in that directory, use:

dir decwrl::"/pub/X11.contrib"

Note that you used a slash instead of a . and that caused the problems.

There is a program running around that helps VMS handle .tar.Z files;
don't have a copy of it, but the ULTRIX notesfile would be the place to 
look...was mentioned in the past two weeks.

Hope this helps!

g.

        I had a version of xconq that worked until I went to sdc dw. I
        shall try to rebuild it next week....
        
        
        	q

    What's the difference between XCONQ and XTREK?  XTREK seems to be a
    pretty thorough-going ripoff of a game I used to play called CONQUEST.
    XCONQ sounds like another port of CONQUEST to X-windows graphics.

I have never seen XCONQ but it was reported as being like EMPIRE somewhat.
Much different than XTREK.

Chad

    re .6:  Yes, xtrek is basically conquest for X.  They even admit it in
    the documentation.  Xconq is based on empire.  I tried converting an
    X10 version to X11 just to see what a 'real' application looked like
    :-) (This was '87 or early '88 so there were no decw$mumble's programs
    yet and I was sick to death of ico and plaid.)  Cute bitmaps for
    terrain, population centers, and weaponry and it claimed that color was
    supported (I didn't check).  A playing turn can get damned busy once
    you have a few dozen armies, cities, ships, etc. taking up your time.
    There was mention of a 'game-builder' to create your own game by
    choosing some historical period and the appropriate playing pieces.  I
    haven't followed up on it since.
    
    					Monty

    I used to spend hours playing empire! Will this run on VMS DECwindows?

-mike

Let us know when someone gets around to the S.M.O.P...

					-Jeff

Hi, Monty!

Remember those long after-hours bouts of CONQUEST at Wash-U?  Someone needs
to network-ize XTREK so we can thrash about the universe again!  You got the
time, I got the workstation 8^).

                                                                    -- Mike

re .12

> Someone needs  to network-ize XTREK so we can thrash about the universe again!

It is already done for UNIX machines running TCP/IP...if someone can use Monty's
TCP/IP-for-VMS code to test a VMS version.....ah well. Or stick with a decnet
port....

Kris...

	How does one find out about these and other types of games there are
available to run under VMS DECwindows ?? Is there a notesfile ??

Sean Keenan

The games conference occasionally mentions games that run under DECWindows.
Conference is PICA::GAMES, press KP 7 et al.

Mike

    re .12:  Hello, Mike.  Ah, yes, those were the days.  Conquest and
    rogue and occasionally some work :-)
    
    For someone with more motivation and time than I have, here's a
    directory of the X11 contributed software directory on decwrl::.
    All sorts of interesting things are here: xconq and xtrek, xmag
    (magnify pixels), xfed (a font editor), etc.  If anyone ports any of
    these, could you make it available?
    
    					- Monty
    
Devo $ dir decwrl::"/pub/X11.contrib"

Directory DECWRL::

"/pub/X11.contrib/."                    "/pub/X11.contrib/.."
"/pub/X11.contrib/Browser.shar.Z"       "/pub/X11.contrib/GraphWidget.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/Purdue.2.0-tar.Z"     "/pub/X11.contrib/Purdue.2.1-tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/RTL"                  "/pub/X11.contrib/RTLMenu"
"/pub/X11.contrib/XGHOST.shar"          "/pub/X11.contrib/Xhp.patch.works.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/Xhp.r2doc.ps.tar.Z"   "/pub/X11.contrib/Xhp.r3fix.sh.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/Xw.R3fix.tar.Z"       "/pub/X11.contrib/bitimp.r3.patch1"
"/pub/X11.contrib/cpicker.tar.Z"        "/pub/X11.contrib/dclock.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/hpxpr.tar.Z"          "/pub/X11.contrib/neaten.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/pexR3fix.tar.Z"       "/pub/X11.contrib/poskbitmaps.update1.tar"
"/pub/X11.contrib/softcursor.tar.Z"     "/pub/X11.contrib/spec.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/texx2.8.tar.Z"        "/pub/X11.contrib/toggle.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/vs100.tar.Z"          "/pub/X11.contrib/wanderer.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/x10fonts.bdf.tar.Z"   "/pub/X11.contrib/x11ps.SHAR"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xbrowser.shar.Z"      "/pub/X11.contrib/xconq.pat1.01"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xconq.pat1.02"        "/pub/X11.contrib/xconq5.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xfed.tar.Z"           "/pub/X11.contrib/xfig.r3.patch1"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xfig.r3.patch2"       "/pub/X11.contrib/xfig.r3.patch3"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xgdb.tar.Z"           "/pub/X11.contrib/xim3.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xmac.tar.Z"           "/pub/X11.contrib/xmag.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xmandel.tar.Z"        "/pub/X11.contrib/xps.speedup.shar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xps.tar.Z"            "/pub/X11.contrib/xrload.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xrn11.26Oct1988.tar.Z"                    "/pub/X11.contrib/xrn11.6March1989.tar.Z
"/pub/X11.contrib/xtools0.tar.Z"        "/pub/X11.contrib/xtools1.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xtrek-00.tar.Z"       "/pub/X11.contrib/xtrek-01.tar.Z"
"/pub/X11.contrib/xtrek.patch1"         "/pub/X11.contrib/xwatchwin.tar.Z"
 

I copied one of these files and uncompressed it using LZDCMP.EXE mentioned
elsewhere in this notes file. Now  I need to break them into smaller
individual pieces. Is there a utility to do this on VMS ? (Some of the files
mentions utility SH on Ultrix)

Jatin

What you have now is a shar file.  It is actually a giant shell script that 
creates source tree when you run it.  Hence the need for a Bourne
shell (/bin/sh).  I don't know if it exists on VMS.
				Jeff

RE: .18

VMS does have the Bourne shell.  That is what the DEC/SHELL layered product is.
You should be able to convert the shar files on a system running DEC/SHELL.

--PSW

I have a SHAR from the Usenet that works on VMS and unpacks most shar files.
There isn't a public place around here, so send me mail if you want the
sources.

-marc

vmskits::decw$public:[unsupported]shar.c

-marc

        ONe of our DECWindows Customers also has the MIT tapes and follows
        comp.sources.x. HE suggested that he was going to start work on
        porting a lot of the Base X applications from MIT to VMS. I
        suggested that most of it was already done. 
        
        A Submission to the DECUS library of a compendium of DEcwindows/X
        tools and games would probably do more good for the popularity of
        our product than anything else. Anyone violently opposed to this
        idea? I would like to chase down each "porter" in turn to verify
        their OK to include.
        
        q
        

re: .-1

Thanks Marc. That worked like a charm.

Jatin

RE: .22:  If there are locations of the ported things on the enet, could
you post the location in note 592?  Thanks!

There is a lot of good stuff at that address...

Kris...

Ok, I just about have a port of XCONQ completed.  Before releasing, I wanted
to ask a general question about the Unix "select" call.  Within XCONQ, its
used   to   coordinate   the  multiple  server  connections.  Currently  the
only other option, within the code, is to poll the connections.  Is this
where you might use the XSelectAsyncInput calls?

					/Brad

Select is used to listen to multiple file descriptors, which can represent
files, other processes, or network connection, and probably some other things
I can't think of off hand.  In X programs, it is used to listen simultaneously
to the X server for events and something else, like another process.  xconq
is kind of unusual because it listens to several X servers at once.  It can't
sit in an XNextEvent, because an event could come from a different display and
be ignored.  So, it listens to all of the server connections at once in a
select, and when it pops out of the select, it knows which servers have events
that need processing and it calls XNextEvent with the correct display argument.

XSelectAsyncInput could be used for this.  It facilitates a different style of
programming, which is not used very often in Ultrix.  Most things use a
synchronous style of event processing, which you see an example of in xconq.

				Jeff

Ok, I have the port all done, is there a central repository for X utilities and
games?

				/Brad

    Not as far as I know, but I an offer a home if you need one.

I can also offer a home.  I have a space set aside for that with public
access.  GVRIEL$DUA1:[SCHOELLER.C.XCONQ] will be set world writable so you can
copy it there.

Dick

Oops, its GVRIEL$DUA1 for me when using DFS to .eng.les.ecad.sim.gvriel_user
otherwise it is GVRIEL::DUA1:

Dick

And maybe post the location in node 592....

See as  I started this Imight as well end this note.  Brad Merrill has
done the port to VMS and made it a available.  It is announced in the
DW_EXAMPLES conference (KP7 etc) in note 154.


Chad

Are there any installation instructions?

- Brad