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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

187.0. "I need more elbow room in this suit..." by WANTON::DEVIOUS (Was set to overload,) Mon Feb 13 1989 11:57

    Hi, I've just upgrade from VWS to DECwindows (V5.1/SDC). I'm afraid
    that I've gone back to VWS, as I can't fathom out how to make 
    DW sing for me, so to speak.
    
    I'd like my DWs to be as customisable as my VWS set up, yet find
    it next to impossible to locate any decent documentation on the
    semi-internals of it.
                                   
    Things I'd like to be able to do:
    
    1) understand the login process to decwindows - what files are executed
    when ? what logicals are needed ? What relationship do the Decterm
    process have to standard jobs ? What relationship does Session Manager,
    FileView, and DECterm process have ?
                              
    2) Be able to have my defaults files somewhere else than my top-level
    directory - eg [.decwindows], as per login.com in "lgicmd"     
                                                                   
    3) Be able to set up a server on the main big cluster to do things
      (I'm not sure if this is possible but I thought I'd ask).    
                                                                   
    4) Be able to set the position/title/size of the various windows/ICONs -
    especially DECterm ones.                                              
                                                                          
    5) Have a 'VWSBanner' set up - I love the little system display       
    with FreePages/Faults and CPU usage.                                  
                                                                   
    6) be able to focus all messages through to the session manager
    - I thought this was what it was supposed to be for.

    .... Sorry if this sounds like a winge, I like the idea of DWs
    especially the FileView customisability - (be better if I could
    have these customisable menu options on ordinary DECterm processes
    as well...), but I just feel awkward, and constrained by running
    DecWindows...(a bit like some one with a captive ALL-IN-1 account
    I guess...;-)
    

    Winton

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187.1MARVIN::WARWICKWell, that'll never workMon Feb 13 1989 17:0315
    
    Well, you can do 99% of that (and indeed we do) . The only thing that
    you can't do as easily as under VWS is to get windows to automatically
    go in the "right" places (especially DECterms). 
    
    The best way of finding out how to do this is to go and ask someone
    else in your group who has already done it - it takes a bit of hacking
    to get the whole thing set up. You could also look through all the
    notes in this conference and the previous one, if you have a spare week
    or two !
    
    
    Trevor
    

187.2GOSOX::RYANDECwindows MailTue Feb 14 1989 08:5148
	I leave finding the specific notes as an exercise to the reader
	(hint: Notes has wonderful commands called SEARCH and DIR/TITLE).

>    1) understand the login process to decwindows - what files are executed
>    when ? what logicals are needed ? What relationship do the Decterm
>    process have to standard jobs ? What relationship does Session Manager,
>    FileView, and DECterm process have ?
 
	This is described in a previous note in the notesfile, go there
	for more details. Basically, the session manager executes
	DECW$LOGIN.COM, and FileView and DECterm execute LOGIN.COM.
	DECterm has a single controller process which controls all
	DECterm windows (each of which is running a LOGINOUT process).
                             
>   2) Be able to have my defaults files somewhere else than my top-level
>    directory - eg [.decwindows], as per login.com in "lgicmd"     
                             
	$DEFINE DECW$USER_DEFAULTS (which I believe is documented). Note
	that it doesn't apply to session manager or DECterm .DAT files
	(for more discussion of that see a previous note in this conference).
                                     
>    3) Be able to set up a server on the main big cluster to do things
>      (I'm not sure if this is possible but I thought I'd ask).    

	There's an earlier topic in this conference describing methods of
	achieving this. You do mean, of course, setting up *clients* on
	the big cluster, since the DECwindows server is the thing that
	runs your display.
                                                                   
>    4) Be able to set the position/title/size of the various windows/ICONs -
>    especially DECterm ones.                                              
                   
	See the CHILD tool (again, a previous note exists on this topic in
	this conference).
                                                       
>    5) Have a 'VWSBanner' set up - I love the little system display       
>    with FreePages/Faults and CPU usage.                                  

	See the DECW$BANNER tool (a previous note in this conference).
                                                                   
>    6) be able to focus all messages through to the session manager
>    - I thought this was what it was supposed to be for.

	Yep, I believe there is a previous note in this conference (or
	in DECWINDOWS_OLD) on this.

	Mike

187.3HOO78C::ANDERSONRatholes made to mesmerize.Wed Feb 15 1989 02:2010
    >but I just feel awkward, and constrained by running DecWindows...(a bit
    >like some one with a captive ALL-IN-1 account I guess...;-) 
     
    Some how the above conjures op the picture in my mind of poor Winton
    trapped forever inside a DecWindow rapping furiously on the glass
    trying to get out. :-)
    
    Jamie. (Who thinks that DecWindows is the greatest thing since sliced
    bread)

187.4LESLIE::LESLIEIntroducing Roy Rogers on TriggerWed Feb 15 1989 03:366
    Winton
    	   it sounds like you are tring to pull the trousers over your head
    - everything you want is available with a little research.
    
    - Andy

187.5NOT QUINN, WANTON::DEVIOUS reallyILOV09::QUINNMon Feb 20 1989 06:449
    Jeez, all I did was ask for some help....
    
       Thanks, for the pointers - Can I come down and see you sometime   
    Andy ?
    
    Winton
    
     (p.s. I'm in Galway at the moment, apologies to John Quinn's account)