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Conference bulova::decw_jan-89_to_nov-90

Title:DECWINDOWS 26-JAN-89 to 29-NOV-90
Notice:See 1639.0 for VMS V5.3 kit; 2043.0 for 5.4 IFT kit
Moderator:STAR::VATNE
Created:Mon Oct 30 1989
Last Modified:Mon Dec 31 1990
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3726
Total number of notes:19516

157.0. "RD53 Upgrade to 5.1 SDC problem" by DELNI::TURBETT (DSS Product Manager) Wed Feb 08 1989 13:50

    I have a VS-2000 with an RD53.  I cleared away enough room to bring
    my system from field test VMS 5.1 to the SDC version, but when I
    tried to upgrade the FT version of DECwindows, I got a nasty surprise.
    
    It needs 23,000 free blocks.  There isn't even radical surgery that
    I can think of that will give me that much room, sort of one...
    
    Do I just somehow logon to my workstation from another terminal,
    delete the FT version of DECWINDOWS, and then install the SDC 5.1
    version?
    
    Remember in your reply that you're talking to someone who knows
    just enough system management to get into trouble.
    
    Thanks

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157.1Don't forget to reboot after the deletes and ana/disk/repairLESLIE::LESLIEAndy ��� LeslieWed Feb 08 1989 14:077
    How much room have you got now?
    
    I'd delete the fonts and sys$system:decw$*.* sys$library:decw$*.*.
    
    You may have to restore a missing file or two from the VMS kit
    afterwards.

157.23kDELNI::TURBETTDSS Product ManagerWed Feb 08 1989 14:405
    I have 3k left now - could probably get to 5k if I had to.
    
    Where are the fonts that I should delete?  SYS$FONTS?  Do I delete
    all of the files in this directory?

157.3LESLIE::LESLIEAndy ��� LeslieWed Feb 08 1989 15:194
    Delete sys$common:[sysfont...]*.*.*
    
    - Andy

157.4CSSE32::MERMELLWindow PainWed Feb 08 1989 17:436
What I did in similar circumstances was to set window_system
to 0 (or remove @decw$startup from v5_systartup.com, I forget
which) and reboot.   Then I logged in at the console and
installed DECW$DELETE.  This freed up enough space to
install the server components on my RD53.

157.5LESLIE::LESLIEPhase what?Wed Feb 08 1989 17:463
    De warned that DECWDELETE removes a RMS DDIF extensions file - can't
    remember the exact name - that is part of the VMS kit.

157.6Then I shouldn't use DECWDELETE?DELNI::TURBETTDSS Product ManagerThu Feb 09 1989 06:246
    Does this mean that I shouldn't use DECWDELETE? (you see, I'm very
    novice at being a system manager).
    
    Where can I find DECWDELETE (it's not on my workstation, and not
    where LKG people normally keep their Cluster kits)

157.7Don't use DECWDELETEIAGO::SCHOELLERWho's on first?Thu Feb 09 1989 09:1513
install VMS 5.1

$Delete sys$common:[sysfont...]*.*.*
$delete sys$system:decw$*.*;*,sys$library:decw$*.*;*

install new DECwindows

Don't use DECWDELETE.  That kit came out with some of the early field tests.
It deletes things that were moved from the DECwindows kit into the VMS kit.
The above procedure does approximately what DECWDELETE did and it is safer.

Dick

157.8Some thoughts on more disk spaceRWCVAX::COULSONRoger Coulson DTN 223-6158Thu Feb 09 1989 10:1229
    RE:.0
    
    I have also installed DECwindows on a VS2000 with only an RD53.  Here
    are some thoughts.
    
    - Eliminate the dump file or make it about 10 blocks long.
    
    - Do not attempt to install the programming support of DECwindows.
    
    - Eliminate old log files, accounting files, etc.
    
    - Do an analyze/disk and see if you can recover from files marked for
    delete but not deleted.  
    
    - Check for multiple copies in the system that have not gotten purged,
    like multiple versions of DCLTABLES.EXE.
    
    - When you install VMS do NOT expand the libraries.  HELP will be
    slower but it will fit!!!
    
    - A backup and restore will defragment the disk and make pagefiles etc
    contiguous as well as improve file performance.
    
    ... There must be more... anyone else with ideas?
    
    
    	/s/	Roger
    

157.9Thanks for the helpDELNI::TURBETTDSS Product ManagerThu Feb 09 1989 12:342
    Thanks for all of the help.  Will upgrade over the weekend!