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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

926.0. "FGD: Is this Humanitarian?" by MPO::ROBINSON (tackaholic) Fri Jul 19 1991 10:16

	These are excerpts from the VOGON News Service...I assume I
	am missing something here, perhaps I don't understand how
	much influence the Church of England has...But I do not see
	what is wrong with what Nestle is doing...If these women are
	(let's say for the sake of discussion) not healthy enough to
	provide adequate breast milk, isn't it humanitarian to give
	them formula?? How can the Church be against a humanitarian 
	act??  


    The Church of England synod has called for a boycott of Nestle products
    due to the companies practice of providing free powdered baby milk to
    maternity units, especially in third world countries, thus discouraging
    breast feeding.

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    Nestle announced that they will stop the supply of free powdered
    baby milk to third world countries by the end of 1992. This
    follows the call by the Church of England to boycott Nestle
    products. {The news item did not say anything about the practice
    in non-third world countries. tfp}

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    Nestle have said they will discuss the ending of their supply of free
    powdered baby milk to maternity units in the third world. They also want
    other companies involved in the talks. {This corrects yesterdays report
    that said that Nestle had already agreed to stop their supply. tfp}


    {News courtesy of the BBC}

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926.1BTOVT::THIGPEN_Sthey say there's peace in sleepFri Jul 19 1991 10:2612
well, some context is needed here.  The issue is (as I heard it) that Nestle's
promotion of its powdered baby formula is actually harmful to infant health,
because
	a) it encourages women to abandon breastfeeding, arguably the best
	   all-around method of feeding baby
	b) it makes the birth rates rise, by removing the (not 100% but still
	   effective) birth control that is a side effect of nursing -- the
	   mom is much less likely to conceive while she continues to nurse
	c) because the water supply in much of the world is less than clean,
	   and water is not boiled before use, the milk made from the powder
	   and the water is not clean and causes illness and deaths from
	   diarrhea (sp?) and dehydration
926.232FAR::LERVINFri Jul 19 1991 10:3217
    There are several problems with Nestle providing free formula to
    maternity wards in Third World countries.
    
    My understanding of the problem is that 1) Once a woman leaves the
    hospital the 'freebees' end, and if she has not been nursing her
    infant, her own milk supply is gone.  2) Women in Third World countries
    are unable to prepare the powdered forumla properly.  This results in
    bacterial infections to their infants, causing severe diarrhea and/or
    death.  3) Once the women are dependent on the formula, because they
    are no longer lactating, they then can't afford to purchase adequate
    supplies of formula to feed their infants, which leads to watering down
    of the formula and malnutrition and/or death for these infants.
    
    I didn't know that Nestle was still pulling this trick.  I remember
    boycotting Nestle 10 years ago for this same stuff.  This is not a
    humanitarian act on the part of Nestle, in my opinion. 
    
926.3GNUVAX::QUIRIYLive from B-B-Q central!Fri Jul 19 1991 10:514
    
    I was astounded that this is still going on as well.
    
    CQ
926.4guess i'm naiveBLUMON::GUGELAdrenaline: my drug of choiceFri Jul 19 1991 10:564
    
    I am very surprised to learn that not everyone knows how terrible
    Nestle has behaved in this matter.
    
926.5WMOIS::REINKE_Bbread and rosesFri Jul 19 1991 11:085
    I still recall a documentary about this from years ago. They showed
    a grave yard with hundreds (or so it seemed) of tiny graves with
    dirty bottles on the graves.
    
    Bonnie
926.6SMURF::CALIPH::binderSimplicitas gratia simplicitatisFri Jul 19 1991 12:4014
IMHO, the CofE is taking a true humanitarian action by pointing out the
PROFIT-ORIENTED action of Nestle.  Giving away free formula is exactly
the same trick as the tobacco companies' giving away free cigarettes.
They get you hooked, and then you have to buy the stuff.  The problems
with this technique, practiced by clever 1st-world marketing types on
naive and economically-deprived 3rd-world women, are accurately listed
in .1 and .2

It's despicable.  I have boycotted various companies over the years; at
the top of that list, still there after 15 years, is Nestle.  What
makes it still worse is that Nestle made a public statement some years
ago saying they would cease the practice forthwith.  Pull the other one.

-d
926.7It's easier to boycott Nestle now that I don't do chocolateTLE::DBANG::carrollA woman full of fireFri Jul 19 1991 14:018
I've wondered for *years* what the story with Nestle was...I'm glad I
finally know.

So what products are produced by Nestle, other than the obvious (chocolate,
etc.)  (I have found that most companies produce surprising things...) Is
it a subsidiary of a bigger company, like General Foods?

D!
926.8No, D!, Nestle isn't a subsidiary. SMURF::CALIPH::binderSimplicitas gratia simplicitatisFri Jul 19 1991 14:4615
It is the other way around.  Nestle owns many other companies.  As you
say, the obvious: Nestea iced tea mix, Nescafe coffees.  The less known
ones include, for chocolate lovers, Cadbury's.

Information on who owns whom is available in a good public library, in
the business section.

The Council on Economic Priorities publishes a small book (pocket or
purse size) called "Shopping for a Better World" in which many of these
kinds of corporate interdependencies are listed along with info about
government contracts, affitmative action (minorities and women are
listesd separately), environmental concern, animal testing, and so on.
Many bookstores carry it.

-d
926.9CARTUN::NOONANCourage, my friend. It is right.Fri Jul 19 1991 14:484
    Not meaning to be a wet blanket or anything, but should this be being
    discussed in the file?  Isn't this against DEC P&P?
    
    E Grace
926.10MEWVAX::AUGUSTINEPurple power!Fri Jul 19 1991 15:1312
I believe that Hershey's owns Cadbury, not Nestles.
As for whether this is appropriate, I _think_ the
prohibition is against encouraging others to take
political action. It should be ok to inform others
about the action. I realize it can be a fine line
at times.

I also want to second CEP's books on Shopping for
a Better World.


Liz