Conference turris::womannotes-v3

    To improve "the" score?  The game itself doesn't have a score, only
    players or teams of players do.  Perhaps your dream signified you were
    on the outside looking in, but wanted to get in believing you had some
    "universal" or "global" contribution to make that none of the players 
    themselves had since as "mere players", they could contribute only to 
    their own scores.
    
    Playing Freud,
    
    Sandy

    re: .0
    
    Yes, and ready or not...here's my version of your s-e-x-y
    dream, reparaphrased:
    
    I am a man.  I'm aroused.  I've already died, and I'm almost -
    but not quite - in heaven.  Look at those women over there!  
    They've already made out like crazy, and they're still goin' 
    at it, hot and heavy.  SCORE!  My god, look at the size of 
    those pieces!  SCORE!  My god, there's another one being laid!
    Can I get in on this?  Can I get a piece of the action?  Let's
    face it, given my piece, I could add quite a few points, that's
    for sure.  But wait - I'm just a newcomer.  I haven't played yet.
    I don't have a word, only a syllable, only a "ment."  I'll have 
    to join up with "la" - and then they'll be a "lament."  They'll
    be mad. I'll be sorry!  But that's not what I meant!
    
    Virginia
    
    

        Your dream had a typo in it? :-)
        
        Do you remember why you were afraid they would get mad at
        you?  (for interfering?, because it was supposed to be
        your funeral?, etc.)
        
        Dan

    Re: .2  Neat!  (Or were you expecting me to be offended?)  I had
    only been considering the surface-level metaphors.  But you must be
    right.  I've taken a battering in many notefiles, but never had a dream 
    about it.  Must be sexual.
    
    There was no real notion of "score" going on in the dream.  I used that
    word afterward to decribe my desire to help or join in (i.e., to
    improve the score, since it was like Scrabble). But since I said it, 
    I guess I can't disown it.
    
    There was no feeling that I had all the answers or even one answer.  The 
    feeling was that I thought I could contribute.  The women were all acting 
    as a team cooperatively (hey, this is a dream, it doesn't have to be 
    realistic), doing something interesting, and I wanted to join in.
    
    And besides, in the dream, my piece was just as big as anyone elses and
    was one I knew the women would all be excited about if they'd only let
    me participate.  :^)
    
    Re: -.1  The funeral notion was VERY vague in the dream.  If you want
    to get Freudian, I suppose to be rejected by women (mother) is death
    for a man (boy).  
    					- Vick
    
    

    re: .4
    
    Thank you!  No, I wasn't expecting you to be offended - I wouldn't
    have entered the reply if I had thought that.
    
    You say that the funeral notion - "I think this is my funeral." -
    was VERY vague in the dream.  The fact that the notion was there
    at all may indicate that it's important.  It may mean, "I think -
    this is my funeral;" and, translated further, "When I say what I
    think, I'm perceived as annoying - that's my problem."
    
    You also say that the women were all acting as a team cooperatively.
    I didn't get that picture.  Initially you said that their game was
    like scrabble, exccept for the size and the format of the tiles. To
    me, scrabble has cooperative elements, but it's definitely an individ-
    ual and competitive venture.  It's interesting that the tiles are about
    "throw pillow size."  The word "pillow" connotes "support."  "Support-
    ive" is a good description of womens' attitudes toward one another.
    "Pillow" also echoes the word "fellow" and may be suggestive of "be-
    littlement" - of the idea that women have the power to put you in your
    place [judgmentally] and to sentence you.  The sequenced "pillows" may
    represent successive occasions in which your contributions were
    de-valued.
    
    Your feelings don't come through too clearly.  You say, "The feeling 
    was that I thought I could contribute."  But that sentence is about a
    thought, not about a feeling.  Your feeling that women may get mad at
    you may be, in part, a projection of your own feelings of anger at them.
    You say you've been battered before.  You say you want to improve the
    score.  You picture women getting excited when they see  - and, in this
    case, hear - your piece.  "Piece" may also refer to "peace" - composure
    in the face of excitement.  Do you think you might want to get back at
    them, to sort of even up the score, or to perhaps go them one better?
    If the women get mad at you, what will you feel?
    
    To summarize:  You want to play, but you have the wrong equipment.
    This game requires words; but you have a suffix, which isn't a word.
    As a player, you won't be acceptable.  Your "word" is "ment" - which
    may mean that on numerous interactive occasions you were a man with a
    "t" or a "cross" or a burdensome problem.  Perhaps your contributions
    were met with such niceties as "OH, SHUT-UP!  You don't have a word 
    to say about it!"  But now "ment" means "meant," and "meant" is most
    definitely a word.  If the players will accept this word, the game 
    will take on a whole new dimension.  It will incorporate *sound* as
    well as sight.  And to the extent that you identify with your word,
    then you're also "sound."  In other words, there's nothing wrong with
    you.  You're O.K.
    
    Virginia
    .
    

    Virginia,
    I think you are greatly overinterpreting my dream.  In dreamwork, the
    dreamer owns the dream.  Many of the things you say, though interesting
    (and clever), don't fit well with my experience of the dream.  But
    your thoughts on the subject have been fascinating.  Thanks.  - Vick
    

    re: .6
    
    Vick,
    
    Yes, I'm intentionally overinterpreting the dream.  And, yes, the
    dreamer definitely owns the dream - it's the product of the brain 
    that creates it.  It's relatively easy to interpret a dream face-
    to-face, because numerous questions can be asked and answered im-
    mediately.  A simple "yes" or "no" answer can eliminate an entire
    train of thought and help to zero in on what's significant.
    
    But over the network it's another story.  I usually have no way to
    judge what's significant to the dreamer and what isn't, so I try to
    include whatever possibilities can be fit into a coherent picture.
    Hopefully, the dreamer can get something out of it and can then go
    on from there.  
    
    Sometimes, even with someone I know well, attempts at interpretation
    get nowhere.  Questions are answered, but lead to dead ends.  Imagi-
    nation is stymied.  And yet there the dream imagery sits - perfectly
    clear - like a tantalizing but senseless puzzle.  However, the puz-
    zle is usually solved in a couple of days when the dream literally
    *happens*.  I don't think that the Dream Women dream fits into this
    precognitive category, but it is an additional possibility that could
    be considered.
    
    Virginia
     

    a few thots
    
    could your read the other tiles?  what did they say?  What did the
    collection of tiles already played say?  were there any words used
    which could have a 'ment' added to change the meaning (state ment,
    govern ment, excite ment,  ment or, etc.)?
    
    jimc 
    

    Alas, if I could during the dream, I can't now.  All but my own was
    lost to memory.
    					- Vick