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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
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Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

650.0. ""The Second Coming"" by TALLIS::TORNELL (Sandy Ciccolini in disguise) Thu Jan 17 1991 10:59

    Yeats wrote this in 1921.  It became my #1 favorite in 1975.  It
    appears to be right on target in 1991.  Read it - if you can handle the
    chill.
    
    Sandy
    
    
    
                           The Second Coming
    
                  Turning and turning in the widening gyre,
                  The falcon cannot hear the falconer.
                  Things fall apart; the center cannot hold,
                  Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
                  The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere,
                  The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                  The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                  Are full of passionate intensity.

                  Surely some revelation is at hand;
                  Surely the second coming is at hand.
                  The second coming!  Hardly are those words out,
                  When a vast image out of spiritus mundi
                  Troubles my sight; somewhere in the sands of the desert
                  A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
                  A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
                  Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
                  Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
                  The darkness drops again; but now I know
                  That 20 centuries of stony sleep
                  Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle.
                  And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
                  Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born.
    
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650.1Mark Twain - on warLYRIC::BOBBITTeach according to their gifts...Thu Jan 17 1991 13:33128
    
    This is about war, by Mark Twain.  Not sure what specific book or work
    it came from though, so if you know please tell me...
    
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    It was a time of great and exalting excitement.  The country was up in
    arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of
    patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols
    popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every
    hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies
    a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young
    volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new
    uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts
    cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by;
    nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory
    which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts and which they
    interrupted at the briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the
    tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors
    preached devotion to flag and country and invoked the God of Battles,
    beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpouring of fervid eloquence
    which moved every listener.  It was indeed a glad and gracious time,
    and the half-dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war
    and cast doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and
    angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank
    out of sight and offended no more in that way.
 
    Sunday morning came--the next day the battalions would leave for the
    front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young
    faces alight with martial dreams--visions of the stern advance, the
    gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight
    of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the
    surrender!--then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored,
    submerged in golden proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and
    friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of
    honor, there to win for the flag or, failing, die the noblest of noble
    deaths. The service proceeded; a war prayer was said; it was followed
    by an organ burst that with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured
    out that tremendous invocation--
 
    "God the all-terrible!  Thou who ordainest, Thunder thy clarion and
    lightning thy sword!"
 
    Then came the "long" prayer.  None could remember the like of it for
    passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of
    its supplication was that an ever-merciful and benign Father of us all
    would watch over our noble young soldiers and aid, comfort, and
    encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the
    day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make
    them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them
    crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable
    honor and glory--
 
    An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the
    main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in
    a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair
    descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face
    unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness.  With all eyes following
    him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended
    to the preacher's side and stood there, waiting.  With shut lids the
    preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and
    at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, "Bless
    our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of
    our land and flag!"
 
    The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside--which the
    startled minister did--and took his place.  During some moments he
    surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes in which burned an
    uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:
 
    "I come from the Throne--bearing a message from Almighty God!"  The
    words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he
    gave no attention.  "He has heard the prayer of His servant your
    shepherd and will grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His
    messenger, shall have explained to you its import--that is to say, its
    full import.  For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that
    it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of--except he pause and
    think.
 
    "God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer.  Has he paused and
    taken thought?  Is it one prayer?  No, it is two--one uttered, the
    other not.  Both have reached the ear of Him Who heareth all
    supplications, the spoken and the unspoken.  Ponder this--keep it in
    mind.  If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest
    without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time.  If
    you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by
    that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop
    which may not need rain and can be injured by it.
 
    "You have heard your servant's prayer--the uttered part of it.  I am
    commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it--that part
    which the pastor, and also you in your hearts, fervently prayed
    silently.  And ignorantly and unthinkingly?  God grant that it was so! 
    You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!'  That is
    sufficient.  The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those
    pregnant words.  Elaborations were not necessary.  When you have prayed
    for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow
    victory--which must follow it, cannot help but follow it.  Upon the
    listening spirit of God the Father fell also the unspoken part of the
    prayer.  He commandeth me to put it into words.  Listen!
 
    "O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth
    to battle--be Thou near them!  With them, in spirit, we also go forth
    from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe.  O Lord
    our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our
    shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of
    their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the
    shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their
    humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of
    their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them
    out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes
    of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the
    sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit,
    worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and
    denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes,
    blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their
    steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with
    blood of their wounded feet!  We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him
    Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend
    of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite
    hearts.  Amen.
 
    (After a pause) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak!  The
    messenger of the Most High waits."
 
    It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was
    no sense in what he said.
 
650.2CSC32::M_VALENZAMake love, not war.Thu Jan 17 1991 13:373
    Thanks for posting this, Jody.
    
    -- Mike
650.3LYRIC::BOBBITTeach according to their gifts...Thu Jan 17 1991 13:50127
	I Want My Old Beast Self 
		 by John Brandi
 
    
	Trees named
	flowers named
	continents named
	bombsites memorialized
	industrial parks christened
	roadsigns quadrupled, thunder rerouted
	lightning detoured
	weather televised, music canned
	dogmeat canned, uranium canned
	Walt Disney frozen 
	Billy the Kid's body stolen
	outer space wired
	blackbirds poisoned
	Popeye painted on warheads
	electrocution sanctioned
	phone wires tapped, geysers tapped
	volcanoes monitored
	terrorism mass-marketed
	crime popularized, burglary syndicated
	lies memorized, death squads okayed
	rainforests mapped and divided
	fir trees under contract, inlets earmarked
	cows branded, knowledge booked
	books shredded, time put into ticks
	ticks digitalized
	good will fossilized
	mythology vandalized
	honesty scrutinized
	planet light eyed by marketing executives
	chins, noses, breasts re-arranged in surgery rooms
	bodies mugged and gassed, straights plugged
	flags pinned to the otherside of the moon
	scientists, poets, nuns silenced
	hearts transplanted
	satellites re-paving the night sky
	earthworms boxed and sold
	crocodiles skinned
	counselers, therapists, mail-course astrologers
	dissecting people's lives
	 
	Help!
	I want my body back
	I want my old beast self
	I want a voice that sings and eyes high-altitude clear!
	I want to live without being watched,
	to smile without being choked, to bathe myself
	unmonitored, to sleep without
	someone ringing my number!
	I want to make love without being told 
	how to do it  how to feel  how to wake
	the next morning  what time of day it is
	who's in the World Series  who's winning
	the latest war  who's been left in purgatory
	and not gone to heaven
	Stop!
 
	Let me lose myself for once
	Let me see who I am 
	Empty my pockets of driver's license, spare
	change, social security, draft card, secret
	phone numbers, fake student ID
	Visa, Mastercharge!
	I want to eat without additives
	I want to die without preservatives
	I want to rise from the world's debris
	wipe the rusted mirror, have a feast!
	I want to feel my body naked, wet with storm
	stuck with pollen  tanned with meteor fire
	soused with cold rain!
	I want to pass through the tail
	of Halley's Comet
	bloom  shake my mane
	stretch the stiff joints, roll
	in the mustard, kick
	my heels  silver the dry wash
	with rafts of light
	unbloody the ocean 
	unsmoke the stack
	undo the noose
	unframe the framed
	let loose the shadows
	lick the salt from the world's tears
	No flags!
	No heads ruling hearts!
	No dirty clothes piled in the closet
	No bomb hatch open
	on the horizon!
	 
	Let me flood through the gate 
	slide into you
	embrace without could be's or what if's
	I want it to be a hundred times
	the first time!
	I want it slow  in the open  luminous
	sourcesless, as books have never
	told it, as vision
	has never witnessed it, I want it blessed
	by the brightest angel
	I want it in the clover  in the clouds
	with the furious taste of electricity
	with silence left in my lungs
	with my windshield steamed  I want it
	high on greenwet wave
	and the whole world with me, out  in
	back through the narrow vent 
	of birth
	  then to sleep  to drift  to wake!
	beckoned by no absence
	collective and unnamed, feathered
                        horned
                        soft pawed
                        haloed
                        bloodsong in the veins
                        birdwhistle in the artery
                        fin in the spray of surf
	I want it
	heavenknowswhere, I want
	my body back
	I want my old beast self!
	 
 
 
650.4very moving and scaryDECWET::JWHITEbless us every oneThu Jan 17 1991 14:223
    
    i believe i saw a short film of the twain story on pbs once.
    
650.5CSC32::M_VALENZAMake love, not war.Thu Jan 17 1991 19:114
    I think (although I'm not sure) that the title of the Twain story is
    "The War Prayer".
    
    -- Mike
650.6what rough beast indeed..GEMVAX::KOTTLERFri Jan 18 1991 09:289

	Toward Baghdad now do we slouch,
	Watching tv on the couch
	For news of the guns
	That send home our sons
	Each in his plastic pouch.

                      
650.7Why the Body bags home?VANTEN::MITCHELLD............<42`-`o>Fri Jan 18 1991 09:377
	Why do american forces send home the bodies and bit and pieces of
bodies back home to be buried. This is alien to my culture. In 1982 
some families wished their sons to be buried at home but this was fiercely
resisted by the MOD and by public opinion. In the end the families were flown
out to the graveyards. We even have poetry about not sending the bodies home.
"a part of a foreign land that is forever England" (not too sure about the
exact wording). There are many reasons why not but please explain why.
650.8TALLIS::TORNELLSandy Ciccolini in disguiseFri Jan 18 1991 09:496
    What also comes to mind is an oil painting I saw when I was a child.
    It was a painting of the UN building and beside it was an image of
    God, as large as the building, getting ready to knock gently on the 
    window, (or on the side of the building, I guess), to get the attention 
    of those inside.  I'm not religious at all but the message was very 
    moving.
650.9BOLT::MINOWThe best lack all conviction, while the worstFri Jan 18 1991 14:4810
re: .7:
>	Why do american forces send home the bodies and bit and pieces of
>bodies back home to be buried. This is alien to my culture.

British military tradition is that soldiers are buried "where they fell"
while American military tradition is that they are returned to America.

Ian probably knows the underlying reasons.

Martin.
650.10I don't know why, but... I don't know why, but... CSSE32::RANDALLPray for peaceFri Jan 18 1991 16:369
It's not just a military custom.  Many, perhaps most, people in the United 
States want to be returned to their home town to be buried.  Often a 
person who hasn't visited his home turf for 60 years will be buried in 
the town he was born in.

I say "he" because US women are usually buried beside their husbands, even
if it is in his hometown 2000 miles from hers. 

--bonnie
650.11wonderingWRKSYS::STHILAIREan existential errandFri Jan 18 1991 16:416
    Well, all the Americans who died in Europe in WWII weren't returned to
    America to be buried.  Is it because there were just too many, or did
    the custom to bring Americans home start in Korea?
    
    Lorna
    
650.12Henry ReedGEMVAX::KOTTLERWed Jan 23 1991 08:3940
	      NAMING OF PARTS



To-day we have naming of parts. Yesterday,
We had daily cleaning. And to-morrow morning,
We shall have what to do after firing. But to-day,
To-day we have naming of parts. Japonica
Glistens like coral in all of the neighboring gardens,
	And to-day we have naming of parts.

This is the lower sling swivel. And this
Is the upper sling swivel, whose use you will see,
When you are given your slings. And this is the piling swivel,
Which in your case you have not got. The branches
Hold in the gardens their silent, eloquent gestures,
	Which in our case we have not got.

This is the safety-catch, which is always released 
With an easy flick of the thumb. And please do not let me
See anyone using his finger. You can do it quite easy
If you have any strength in your thumb. The blossoms
Are fragile and motionless, never letting anyone see
	Any of them using their finger.

And this you can see is the bolt. The purpose of this
Is to open the breech, as you see. We can slide it
Rapidly backwards and forwards: we call this
Easing the spring. And rapidly backwards and forwards
The early bees are assaulting and fumbling the flowers:
	They call it easing the Spring.

They call it easing the Spring: it is perfectly easy
If you have any strength in your thumb: like the bolt,
And the breech, and the cocking-piece, and the point of balance,
Which in our case we have not got; and the almond-blossom
Silent in all of the gardens and the bees going backwards and forwards,
	For today we have naming of parts.

650.13Topic write lockedWMOIS::B_REINKEhanging in thereTue Feb 12 1991 12:121
    Please see note 593.178